Newsfront Interview, New York, May 14th 1968 WNDT Broadcast - The Beatles Curiosities Volume 1 Lyrics
| Song | Newsfront Interview, New York, May 14th 1968 WNDT Broadcast - The Beatles Curiosities Volume 1 |
| Artist | John Lennon |
| Artist | Paul McCartney |
| Album | Newsfront Interview, New York, May 14th 1968 WNDT Broadcast - The Beatles Curiosities Volume 1 |
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| [00:00.000] | Q: John Lennon and Paul McCartney , |
| [00:01.998] | What do you think is the one single thing |
| [00:04.073] | that most contributed to your phenomenal, |
| [00:06.185] | unprecedented success in the past 8 or 9 years? Any single thing?" |
| [00:11.994] | JOHN: "Umm, God?" |
| [00:13.667] | PAUL: "I'll go along with that." |
| [00:17.316] | Q: "So much has been said that you started a trend, |
| [00:21.403] | and that the trend that exists today - |
| [00:23.392] | this whole psychedelic mixed-media world..." PAUL & JOHN: (laugh) |
| [00:26.880] | Q: "...kind of goes back to the early days |
| [00:28.828] | when you embarked on that, some have said, rock-strewn path." |
| [00:32.204] | JOHN: "We're just part of it, whatever it is." |
| [00:35.242] | PAUL: "We didn't set that one. We're just rolling along with it." |
| [00:38.791] | JOHN: "But we're part of it, you know." |
| [00:40.941] | Q: "But you were so much ahead, though, as so many have said." |
| [00:43.678] | JOHN: "To a degree. There's always somebody a bit ahead." |
| [00:46.028] | Q: "What led you down that road in the first place? |
| [00:49.667] | What brought you into that medium?" |
| [00:51.916] | PAUL: "Progress. Just natural progress as things change. |
| [00:57.967] | You know, they just keep changing. You can't help it. |
| [00:59.816] | And we just (laughs) kept along with them as they kept changing... |
| [01:04.028] | And here we are!" |
| [01:05.841] | Q: "The millions of young people that now are grown up, |
| [01:10.354] | I suppose, had started out with you a few years ago. |
| [01:12.628] | They've been affected, it's said, by what you've done, |
| [01:16.578] | deeply and permanently. |
| [01:18.229] | Do you think this is true?" |
| [01:19.378] | JOHN: "Yeah, in some cases that will be true." |
| [01:22.416] | PAUL: "Yeah, and it goes for us, too. |
| [01:24.166] | We've been affected by them." |
| [01:25.554] | JOHN: "I tell ya, I'm permanently affected by Elvis Presley... |
| [01:27.753] | Permanently affected by whoever it is you're affected by." |
| [01:30.629] | PAUL: (jokingly) "...scars to prove it." |
| [01:32.241] | Q: "Going back again to the early 1960's |
| [01:36.141] | when you first achieved your outstanding success. |
| [01:39.641] | Things were very different in the world then - |
| [01:41.666] | the world of popular music and the world of youth, |
| [01:43.904] | weren't they, than they are today." |
| [01:45.365] | JOHN: "It's gonna be... It's just change, you know. |
| [01:48.304] | Everything changes. |
| [01:49.590] | EVERYTHING was different then, |
| [01:50.766] | so there's no sort of specifics about it. |
| [01:53.917] | The whole thing's continually changing. |
| [01:55.903] | So we can't really comment on why one particular man |
| [02:01.467] | had better white trousers on in 1933. |
| [02:05.115] | There's nothing to say about it, but it happened." |
| [02:07.916] | PAUL: (jokingly to John) "Wrap up adlib! Close to script!" |
| [02:10.416] | Q: "Yeah, we should go back to 'copy' now." (laughter) |
| [02:13.004] | Q: "But changes that did occur in those years... |
| [02:15.290] | How would you describe the kind of change? |
| [02:17.403] | Was it the waking of a sleeping giant? |
| [02:20.290] | We talk about young people, |
| [02:21.640] | and we talk about the fact that so much has awakened |
| [02:25.765] | on the scene of life for young people." |
| [02:28.916] | PAUL: "You know I mean, none of us know what it is. |
| [02:32.428] | I don't think anyone knows what it is. |
| [02:34.216] | And it's just... it's life, you know. |
| [02:36.353] | You appear to grow up, |
| [02:38.741] | and we started off in leather jackets chinging away on guitars. |
| [02:44.978] | And it went through a lot of phases until it got here. |
| [02:49.128] | You know, and that's all we can say about it. |
| [02:51.404] | I don't know what happened. (laughs) |
| [02:52.423] | You can't say exactly what went on." JOHN: "How can you say?" |
| [02:58.013] | Q: "Do you think that seven, eight, nine, ten years ago, |
| [03:02.138] | that young people were less awake?" |
| [03:05.302] | JOHN: "I think they're becoming more aware each generation. |
| [03:08.125] | I don't know whether it'll end at some point |
| [03:10.414] | and go back to the start. |
| [03:11.475] | But it seems to be going that way - more aware." |
| [03:14.338] | Q: "More new experiences all the time?" |
| [03:17.538] | JOHN: "Well of course." |
| [03:18.638] | PAUL: "More aware, but no one's quite sure |
| [03:20.713] | what it is that they're aware of. |
| [03:22.813] | But they're aware of it (laughing) whatever it is. |
| [03:26.563] | (pause) You know, it's one of those things |
| [03:29.087] | you can't talk about because it gets into things |
| [03:33.125] | you can't put your finger on. |
| [03:34.575] | (to himself) Wrap up adlib. Close to script." |
| [03:39.614] | Q: "A lot of older people seem to feel that the young people today, |
| [03:42.313] | as I suppose older people always felt, |
| [03:43.922] | are always rebelling against the older generation. |
| [03:46.521] | But that this rebellion has gone so much further than other rebellions." |
| [03:50.296] | JOHN: "Yes." PAUL: "Yeah." |
| [03:52.771] | JOHN: "What will the next one be like, you know." |
| [03:54.059] | Q: "They'll rebell against you." |
| [03:55.559] | JOHN: "Depending on what we turn into." |
| [03:57.821] | Q: "What are you going to turn into?" |
| [03:59.734] | JOHN: "Well, if we stay like we are now it mightn't be bad. |
| [04:03.946] | But we should progress and be able to still communicate with kids |
| [04:07.609] | if this change is as important as it might be. |
| [04:11.559] | But if it isn't, it's just the same again. (comically, to the announcer) What's yours?" |
| [04:16.171] | Q: "That's a good question. (pause) |
| [04:18.008] | But as you leave the 20's... How soon will that be for both of you?" |
| [04:22.146] | JOHN: "I'm 27." |
| [04:22.896] | PAUL: "25." |
| [04:24.570] | Q: "You still have a ways to go, |
| [04:25.783] | but you talk about yourselves as gray old men in a sense, |
| [04:28.472] | compared to those years ago." |
| [04:29.771] | JOHN: (giggles) "It's only the way you're hearing it."(laughter) |
| [04:31.495] | Q: "You've made so much money |
| [04:34.045] | and you've achieved so much success so early. |
| [04:36.470] | Does this worry you?" |
| [04:37.633] | JOHN: "It's not a worry, it's just... |
| [04:39.896] | It saved us wasting our lives achieving it." |
| [04:42.420] | PAUL: "Yeah. Our thing just happens to be |
| [04:45.758] | very condensed and speeded. It's speeded up..." |
| [04:50.196] | JOHN: "We chose a modern form of success." |
| [04:51.895] | PAUL: "...very quick, because one second we were just there |
| [04:54.782] | doing 'that' with 'that much' money. |
| [04:56.846] | The next second... people normally take a lifetime to do... |
| [05:00.458] | it was just all there suddenly, just handed. |
| [05:03.082] | And we didn't have to do anything for it." |
| [05:04.896] | JOHN: "Except for work, you know." |
| [05:06.822] | PAUL: "We had to work and do songs and make records, |
| [05:09.958] | and that, but it didn't feel like anything to us. |
| [05:11.945] | And so, that's incredible, that. |
| [05:15.708] | 'Cuz it makes you think. (laughs) |
| [05:16.832] | It also makes you rich." |
| [05:21.858] | JOHN: "It's a way of doing it. |
| [05:22.995] | There's lots of careers to choose. |
| [05:24.482] | And you choose one... |
| [05:26.258] | Everybody wants to get something, |
| [05:28.295] | or make something one way or another. |
| [05:30.045] | And we chose a modern way of making it...and the so-called(?) relative making it,money and cars |
| [05:38.096] | because obviously we didn't want to spend out lives to get to nowhere." |
| [05:43.355] | PAUL: "It's like, if you could take a pill to just get famous and rich, |
| [05:46.029] | a lot of people would. And ours was a bit like that." |
| [05:49.254] | Q: "Was this what you really wanted to do it for |
| [05:51.254] | ... you wanted to get rich?" PAUL & JOHN: "Yeah." |
| [05:52.548] | JOHN: "You just want to 'make it' whatever you do. |
| [05:56.183] | You all set out leaving school or whatever, and you want to make it. |
| [05:59.945] | So you choose your field, and you make it or you don't. |
| [06:04.434] | But MAKE IT, that isn't it because there's nothing to MAKE. |
| [06:10.145] | So we were in the position to find out it's not worth spending your life looking... trying to get cars and kid gloves." |
| [06:20.784] | Q: "Has the fun gone out of your musical career |
| [06:26.824] | now that you've made so much money?" PAUL & JOHN: "No." JOHN: "Nothing like that." |
| [06:29.095] | PAUL: "You see, you're asking questions which are quite serious... |
| [06:34.309] | and you're not asking us, uhh you know, |
| [06:38.146] | where we get our hair cut. |
| [06:39.382] | You can't expect all these sort of happy answers |
| [06:42.655] | when you're asking serious questions." JOHN: "You want the answers. |
| [06:44.726] | Well, we're giving you the answer, you know." PAUL: "As we see it." |
| [06:47.387] | PAUL: (jokingly) "It isn't very clearly..." |
| [06:49.344] | Q: "Of course it's unclear...Now that you have this tremendous influence, |
| [06:54.942] | which you obviously have all over the world, |
| [06:57.779] | do you have a particular feeling about what you want to do with this power?" |
| [07:02.005] | JOHN: "Just, whatever it is, to try and channel it for GOOD... |
| [07:05.354] | if we can, you know. |
| [07:07.579] | That's the only point of doing anything. |
| [07:09.691] | So we've got this machine, |
| [07:13.218] | and we'll try and make use of it, for good, |
| [07:15.667] | and not just to have a machine." |
| [07:17.554] | PAUL: "You know, you've got your life and you're faced with choices in it. |
| [07:23.730] | And for us being suddenly rich and famous, |
| [07:30.593] | and in a position to do something, |
| [07:32.841] | we've got a choice of doing either what most people do, |
| [07:37.592] | which is just making more and more money, |
| [07:39.854] | and getting more and more rich and famous... |
| [07:42.066] | or trying to DO something which will help. |
| [07:45.016] | And it sounds a bit like charity, but it's obviously the one we've chosen 'cuz it's just better. |
| [07:54.433] | And it just might be in the long run..." |
| [07:57.973] | JOHN: "Might be good." |
| [07:58.858] | PAUL: "Might be good." |
| [07:59.846] | Q: "Let's stick with the young people and the areas that you think are most fruitful to try to help in. |
| [08:05.910] | I asked before, where you thought young people were going, |
| [08:10.360] | and you said well maybe there'll be a reaction to what they have now. |
| [08:13.322] | How does this relate to the real world as you see it... |
| [08:17.909] | to issues of war and peace, family and country? |
| [08:21.821] | JOHN: "All issues are relative. So it relates like that. |
| [08:26.183] | It's all just relative to each other. |
| [08:28.008] | War (pause) and vegetables. |
| [08:30.458] | 'Cuz there's relativity and absolute. |
| [08:36.112] | And that's how it relates, you know." |
| [08:39.185] | PAUL: (chuckles) "Great, Johnny." |
| [08:39.772] | Q: "It's kind of hard though for some people to interpret you." |
| [08:42.711] | JOHN: "Well, if they can't interpret it, maybe they will later... |
| [08:46.035] | or come to their own conclusions. |
| [08:49.046] | But that's the way I think it is." |
| [08:51.583] | PAUL: (to John) "But what do you think about the young people?" |
| [08:55.359] | JOHN: "Well... I think they're young, you know, |
| [08:58.658] | and trying to find out. That's all." |
| [09:00.696] | PAUL: "They seem to be trying to stop wars, and that. " |
| [09:04.521] | JOHN: "...which is beautiful." |
| [09:06.852] | PAUL: "It just looks as though everyone is trying to stop all that killing, and all that fighting." |
| [09:12.165] | JOHN: "It's a good idea." |
| [09:13.926] | PAUL: "It sounds good. It may be just silly to try, but it may be good!" |
| [09:21.738] | Q: "It may not work." PAUL AND JOHN: (quiet chuckle) |
| [09:23.662] | Q: "The word 'anarchy' has been used to describe some of the..." |
| [09:27.176] | JONH: "Well I mean, there always will be that element because, |
| [09:31.589] | when they see it as how they see it to become an anarchist, |
| [09:36.800] | it's 'What can we do about all that?' |
| [09:39.613] | I mean, what can you do really but wear a badge or stand up and shout. |
| [09:45.262] | So the choice is about shouting or 'let it roll.' |
| [09:49.339] | But they're a group of people who will go on forever, |
| [09:54.053] | but they don't actually do anything." |
| [09:57.189] | PAUL: "Everyone needs someone to say 'This is how you do it. |
| [10:01.763] | This is what we want you to do,' you know. |
| [10:06.614] | The thing is, it would be great if we knew how you do it. |
| [10:11.177] | We make guesses, but they're not always right. |
| [10:14.539] | They're often wrong, in fact. |
| [10:17.166] | It'd be great if we knew what it is you do |
| [10:19.946] | Cuz we are in a good position, |
| [10:20.969] | just to say to all the people who want to know how you do it. |
| [10:23.894] | Cuz there are so many phony institusions saying |
| [10:27.707] | 'And this is how you do it!' |
| [10:29.106] | Nobody can believe them anymore. |
| [10:32.268] | So it would be nice for people, |
| [10:34.406] | for someone to just come along and say..." |
| [10:36.406] | JOHN: "Well, it would have to be Jesus, or Buddha or something." |
| [10:39.056] | PAUL: "Yeah." |
| [10:39.543] | JOHN: "But they don't seem to be around at the moment." |
| [10:41.970] | Q: "The whole idea of whether you get involved or whether you stay out of it - Whether you're turned on or turned off. |
| [10:48.980] | How do you feel about that?" |
| [10:50.543] | JOHN: "We believe you should turn on and stay in. |
| [10:53.630] | Change it, you know." |
| [10:54.868] | PAUL: (jokingly) "Drop in... sometime." |
| [10:57.394] | Q: "When you get involved, do you mean getting involved in the establishment and institutions?" |
| [11:04.433] | JOHN: "Well, to change it... |
| [11:04.905] | because unless you change it, it's going to be there forever. |
| [11:07.294] | So the only thing to do is to try and change it... |
| [11:10.520] | but not replace it with another set of Harris Tweed suits. |
| [11:12.855] | And just change it completely. |
| [11:15.456] | But how you do that, we don't know." |
| [11:17.493] | PAUL: "There's a lot of ways, |
| [11:18.168] | but the one we've decided on at the moment |
| [11:21.093] | is just to try and get into a business, |
| [11:26.143] | so that we can go to 'them,' you know, |
| [11:31.270] | all those big bosses in all those big companies, |
| [11:34.168] | and talk to them as though we're..." (laughs) |
| [11:38.120] | PAUL & JOHN: "...one of them!" |
| [11:41.320] | JOHN: "Of course we're not, so we'll see what happens." |
| [11:44.858] | PAUL: "We're not really, |
| [11:45.205] | but we've got people who are doing it for us. |
| [11:48.381] | And it's a bit different from the hippie scene because people think |
| [11:52.569] | "Oh, they haven't washed and they've got long hair. |
| [11:55.919] | Oh that's naughty,' you know. |
| [11:57.143] | And people don't communicate with them |
| [12:02.045] | because they don't like the look of them, or something." |
| [12:03.731] | JOHN: "We're gonna package peace in a new box." |
| [12:07.344] | PAUL: "We're trying to get to, like, |
| [12:09.794] | the people who are sort of in control, and say you know, |
| [12:12.982] | 'Come on. Straighten it out. Don't mess it up.'" (JOHN:??) |
| [12:16.104] | Ask if they can(??). It doesn't look as if they can. |
| [12:22.464] | Q: "You went to India and spent time with Maharishi |
| [12:26.588] | who has had great impact, you feel, on your whole outlook. |
| [12:29.113] | Could you decribe how he's changed things for you?" |
| [12:32.938] | JOHN: "We sort of feel that Maharishi for us was a mistake, really. |
| [12:39.888] | Meditation we don't think was a mistake. |
| [12:43.038] | But I think we had a false impression of Maharishi, |
| [12:48.737] | like people do of us, you know. |
| [12:50.100] | But what we do happens in public, so it's a different scene slightly." |
| [12:56.739] | Q: "What was your original impression?" |
| [12:58.300] | JOHN: "We thought he was something other than he was." |
| [13:00.763] | PAUL: "We thought he was magic, you know, |
| [13:04.062] | because he's got that kind of thing. |
| [13:07.188] | And he sort of, I dont know, the twinkle in the eye. |
| [13:09.924] | And you just think he..." |
| [13:10.888] | JOHN: "We were looking for it, |
| [13:13.074] | and probably superimposed it on him." |
| [13:15.362] | PAUL: "Yeah, it was just the right time anyway. |
| [13:19.112] | There were we, waiting for someone... |
| [13:20.783] | JOHN: "Waiting for a guru. He came.". PAUL:"...the great magic man to come. |
| [13:23.264] | And he came, you know. There he was and he was talking about it all. |
| [13:25.800] | And he had great answers, |
| [13:27.500] | 'cuz he said 'You can sort yourself out,' |
| [13:29.864] | that you can calm yourself down just |
| [13:34.126] | by doing this very simple thing. |
| [13:35.712] | And it works, that bit of it. It really does do it, you know." |
| [13:40.300] | JOHN: "But the other bit - He's giving out recipes for something, |
| [13:44.724] | then he's still creating the same kind of situations |
| [13:48.889] | which he's giving out recipes to cure." |
| [13:50.525] | PAUL: "But it seems like the system is more important... |
| [13:53.915] | Q: "Sort of a touch of establishment in the Maharishi?" |
| [13:56.990] | JOHN: "Something, you know. We can't...." |
| [13:59.215] | PAUL: "He's okay, but the system is more important, y'know... |
| [14:02.874] | (JOHN: Something taking over something)...the idea of it. |
| [14:04.808] | (JOHN: Some seems to ???) It always goes by the Budhha(?) bit. |
| [14:09.243] | If people watch Maharishi, or watch us, |
| [14:12.936] | they don't think about the system - |
| [14:16.398] | don't think about what it's about, you know. " |
| [14:17.847] | Q: "He got you to stop taking drugs." |
| [14:22.459] | JOHN: "No he didn't. |
| [14:23.441] | We'd stopped taking drugs a couple of months before,when we met him. |
| [14:28.141] | And that was just sort of... |
| [14:30.604] | The newspapers said, 'Oh! Put it together, we got a title.' |
| [14:34.706] | But it's just not true." |
| [14:36.479] | Q: "You feel that drugs are not necessary anymore for what you do?" |
| [14:41.480] | JOHN: "Uhh, I don't know. |
| [14:42.666] | I'm not making any statements about what I'm going to do for the next 60 years or whatever it is, because I've no idea anymore. |
| [14:51.794] | You can never really know, but just have a vague goal." |
| [14:56.369] | PAUL: "Not at the moment, anyway." |
| [14:59.104] | JOHN: "It's no use saying 'I will never take drugs' |
| [15:01.729] | or 'I WILL take drugs,' because you don't know." |
| [15:04.616] | Q: "After the experiences that you've had, |
| [15:07.679] | do you think that young people who are your fans, |
| [15:12.080] | who idolize you, ought to try the same thing?" |
| [15:14.969] | JOHN: "No. We don't give instructions on how to live your life. |
| [15:18.255] | The only thing we can do, because we're in the public eye, |
| [15:20.404] | is to reflect what we do. |
| [15:25.281] | And they can judge for themselves what happens to us - |
| [15:27.392] | with Maharishi, with drugs, with whatever we go on. |
| [15:31.406] | If they're using us as a guideline. |
| [15:32.929] | And we can only try and do what's right for us, |
| [15:36.216] | and therefore, we hope right for them." |
| [15:39.367] | PAUL: "Some fella said to me, |
| [15:41.470] | 'Have you had LSD, Paul?' |
| [15:43.996] | And I said 'Yes.' And it was only 'cuz |
| [15:49.432] | I was going to just be honest with him. |
| [15:50.969] | There's no other reason. |
| [15:52.533] | I didn't want to spread it or anything, you know. |
| [15:54.319] | I'm not trying to do anything except answer his question. |
| [15:57.746] | But he happened to be a reporter, |
| [15:59.231] | and I happened to be a Beatle. |
| [16:00.844] | So it went into that, you know." |
| [16:03.144] | JOHN: "And it was his responsibility, |
| [16:04.269] | or his paper's responsibility and his TV station." |
| [16:08.044] | PAUL: "That's the thing - He immediately said 'Oh, it's this man's responsibility. He's just saying all the kids should take LSD.' |
| [16:15.921] | And I didn't, you know. I just said, |
| [16:19.257] | 'Yes I've taken it. Okay I own up,' you know." |
| [16:21.620] | Q: "Do you think the press distorts a great deal of what you say?"PAUL & JOHN: Yes!" |
| [16:25.783] | JOHN: "I don't think there's anywhere, |
| [16:27.019] | any truth coming over about what's happening at all."(laughter) |
| [16:29.909] | Q: "Generally, all the way across the board?" |
| [16:33.858] | JOHN: "There is no truth coming out, at all.(PAUL: It's not ???) |
| [16:38.270] | The only true thing about newspapers is the name of the newpaper.(PAUL: I mean newspapers...) |
| [16:44.820] | And I'm not saying that they are intentionally evil or anything, |
| [16:49.660] | it's just they can't control it. |
| [16:51.796] | And the system won't allow truth to come out." PAUL: "Yeah." |
| [16:55.132] | JOHN: "So there's something wrong with the system." |
| [16:57.220] | PAUL: "You know I mean, this - |
| [16:59.923] | It's a pretty sort of ordinary interview. |
| [17:02.984] | It's pretty dull, you know. |
| [17:03.945] | Except for one or two little things, which will have been headlines..." |
| [17:08.170] | Q: "Of course, when someone watches television, they see it." (PAUL: ...and that's what the newspapers use to take them...???) |
| [17:11.908] | JOHN: "Television is a bit better, |
| [17:14.369] | but it's still under the influence of the system |
| [17:18.596] | that doesn't really allow truth to come out." |
| [17:20.520] | Q: "Well, now you're saying what you think and people are seeing what you say." |
| [17:24.233] | JOHN: "Just for this moment, maybe. |
| [17:26.358] | If we are saying the truth as we know it. |
| [17:29.382] | but in general, I mean... |
| [17:31.158] | Are you saying that the truth is coming out all the time? |
| [17:33.784] | I don't know. You think so? You try, yeah, (PAUL: No, it's probably not, I mean....) |
| [17:38.746] | you try but you've still got a system which restricts and inhibits people speaking their mind. |
| [17:45.320] | I mean, we can speak our mind now about these subjects. |
| [17:47.557] | But there will be limits imposed. And Rules." PAUL: "Mmmm." |
| [17:52.044] | JOHN: "...which are to safeguard something or other. |
| [17:54.094] | But safeguarding it prevents... it has a side effect. |
| [17:59.422] | And the choice is, where to draw the line." |
| [18:03.746] | PAUL: "It's like, if you were to ask either of us a question that the answer would be obscene..." |
| [18:12.408] | JOHN: "There's a censor." |
| [18:13.444] | PAUL: "There's a limit, you know, to where you could go." |
| [18:15.620] | JOHN: "We couldn't describe making love to somebody, |
| [18:18.932] | because the system doesn't allow that.(PAUL: But anyway that's still not to do without truth. They...) |
| [18:21.694] | You couldn't just describe it. That's where the system's at." |
| [18:29.069] | Q: "One of the big controversies in your country had been recently |
| [18:34.508] | the whole question of racial integration and of cutting off immigration, |
| [18:38.658] | and of asking some of your non-whites to go back home again. |
| [18:42.871] | You've been asked about this, undoubtedly." JOHN: "No." |
| [18:46.493] | Q: 'Do you think this is the kind of government policy that you want in your country?" |
| [18:52.696] | JOHN: "We sow what we reap, or whatever it is. (PAUL: Mmm) |
| [18:55.709] | And Britain is paying for what it did to all those countries. |
| [18:59.996] | And to say, 'Keep out,' is just barking in the garden, you know. |
| [19:05.794] | Because whatever is going to happen will happen like that." |
| [19:09.319] | PAUL: "It was just some fella who said in a speech one day..." |
| [19:13.307] | JOHN: "He said what a lot of them thought." (PAUL: He??? a few votes and y'know ??) |
| [19:16.495] | Q: "And a lot of people in Liverpool, and other places you know well, favor what he said, apparantly." |
| [19:21.895] | JOHN: "Sure." PAUL: "Yeah." |
| [19:22.744] | JOHN: "Because those people are all over the place. |
| [19:24.125] | That's why the governments are in power."( PAUL: "You know those people, they don't know a thing. They just hate.") |
| [19:27.321] | JOHN: "Because they're not told anything, as well." |
| [19:30.545] | PAUL: "It's people like this - They say "I'm white and he's black.' |
| [19:35.921] | Hate, hate, hate. They just hate him." |
| [19:38.571] | JOHN: "And he's not brought up any other way." |
| [19:39.969] | PAUL: "You know, they don't know anything else than that, |
| [19:42.244] | so they've got to agree with this fella who says |
| [19:44.731] | "We've got a dangerous situation here.'" |
| [19:46.256] | JOHN: "And they vote him in, and he just makes them feel alright. |
| [19:49.295] | And he tells them that 'You're right! You know what's happening. |
| [19:52.245] | You put me in power' |
| [19:53.131] | But what they don't know is that he knows a bit more what's going on. |
| [19:58.097] | That's why he's in power. |
| [19:59.082] | But he's not going to tell them what's happening because he wants to stay in power. |
| [20:03.462] | Because if they knew, they wouldn't have put him in power, somebody else would be." |
| [20:06.782] | PAUL: "But it's not as bad in England as it is here." |
| [20:09.719] | JOHN: "It probably is, but it's just a different..." |
| [20:12.169] | PAUL: "I don't think it is." |
| [20:13.193] | Q: "You're talking about racism?" |
| [20:14.418] | JOHN: "Well, it will be then." |
| [20:16.644] | PAUL: "I don't think it's as bad, just from what I've seen. |
| [20:21.633] | It might be. 'Cuz it's hidden more in England, definitely, you know." |
| [20:24.495] | JOHN: "That might be worse." |
| [20:26.556] | PAUL: "That might be worse, yeah. |
| [20:27.093] | But there's just not the numbers going on." |
| [20:33.221] | JOHN: "Well, it's just that. England is THAT big, |
| [20:35.258] | and America is THAT big." |
| [20:37.052] | PAUL: (giggles, jokingly) "It's much worse in England, you know!" (laughter) |
| [20:40.077] | Q: ???...Tell us about it. JOHN: (giggling)...terrible things... Oh no, he was joking then. Q: (laughing) "Really?!" JOHN: "He came 'round the circle." |
| [20:50.718] | Q: "This business of color, and young people, and people who follow you... This doesn't have any significance in the mind of many of your young people?" |
| [21:01.943] | PAUL: "No, it's good. Most people don't... |
| [21:03.932] | It seems to be older people who really have got hang-ups." |
| [21:07.608] | JOHN: "Yes, and musicians and their vibrations don't usually have this about what street you live on. |
| [21:15.333] | I mean, they get that scene sorted out as soon as they meet other musicians. Because it's the music that counts. |
| [21:21.496] | There's no common denominator for society like music or whatever they're going for." |
| [21:26.884] | PAUL: "If someone can play guitar, it doesn't matter what colored hands he uses." |
| [21:30.882] | JOHN: "But it also doesn't matter for the carpenter and the bricklayer, and all that." |
| [21:35.382] | PAUL: "But I mean, everyone knows that anyway. There's only a few... I don't know who these people are who..." |
| [21:43.985] | JOHN: (giggling) "They're the ones who vote for those people." |
| [21:46.695] | PAUL: (giggles) "You know, there's just some funny people around who're messing it up." |
| [21:50.572] | JOHN: "Lots of them." |
| [21:51.294] | PAUL: "Let's find those people." |
| [21:53.094] | Q: "Of course, there's people who don't like the long hair..." |
| [21:54.882] | JOHN: "Well, we know those people are SICK! |
| [21:57.946] | And we might all be sick. |
| [22:00.995] | But their manifestations of sickness are pretty horrible, really. Frightening." |
| [22:08.259] | PAUL: "There was some thing in England where a kid went to the barbers and his Uncle said 'Go and get your hair cut.' |
| [22:15.544] | And so he went and he just had a little bit off, |
| [22:17.119] | 'cuz he had it quite long and he liked it. |
| [22:18.495] | And he came back with just a bit off |
| [22:20.807] | - So his Uncle, his guardian, |
| [22:22.407] | got annoyed and dragged him back and had it all off. |
| [22:25.295] | The kid just come with a little crewcut, |
| [22:27.532] | and he was really broken up about it. |
| [22:30.169] | And the next morning they found him on the railway lines. |
| [22:32.032] | The kid has just sort of laid down with his crewcut. |
| [22:35.259] | *chop* You know, there's no need for that." |
| [22:38.960] | JOHN: "To make haircuts that important is insanity." |
| [22:41.320] | Q: "Some people probably say to you, |
| [22:43.918] | 'Why don't you cut your hair short? |
| [22:46.233] | Are you just wearing it that way to be different?'" |
| [22:48.394] | PAUL: "No it's just, 'Why don't you wear yours long,' you know." |
| [22:51.870] | JOHN: "We know what we like in that respect. |
| [22:54.019] | We please ourselves. |
| [22:55.794] | And what's it got to do with (pause) some man with one eye." (laughter) PAULL: It is not... there's no...(giggling) |
| [23:03.700] | JOHN: (giggling) "You know that man with one eye that's always sitting 'round the back!" (laughter) |
| [23:07.667] | JOHN: "...and asking ya why your hair is long!" Q: Yeah... But he's always there... |
| [23:12.240] | PAUL: (laughs) "Yeah, but all those things about hair and color... You know, |
| [23:16.017] | all those things that hang people up. |
| [23:17.654] | There's no need, 'cuz there's no worry. |
| [23:20.253] | I mean, those are the least worrying things around." |
| [23:22.290] | JOHN: "But they're the causes, aren't they!( PAUL: Yeah, they seem to be...)One of the ?? causes. Dittle dittle rum bumble bumble(?)" |
| [23:28.719] | Q: "What about the Queen and royalty in Britain? Is that a hang up?" |
| [23:32.655] | JOHN: "It's not a hang up, but I mean |
| [23:34.466] | - Imagine being brought up like that for two-thousand years. |
| [23:37.768] | You must be pretty freaky. |
| [23:39.353] | And they must have a hard time trying to be human beings. |
| [23:42.716] | I don't know if any of them will ever make it, |
| [23:44.691] | 'cuz I don't know much about them. |
| [23:46.728] | But, you feel sorry for people like that. |
| [23:50.266] | 'Cuz it's like us, only worse! |
| [23:53.917] | And whether they know what's going on or not is another subject." |
| [23:57.617] | PAUL: "They've probably got their own thing, you know, inside the castle." |
| [24:00.528] | JOHN: Mmm... Chest(?). Paul: (Giggling) No they are just... |
| [24:03.287] | Q: Well, you've been inside the castle ??? the decorations... (PAUL: No ,I mean....) |
| [24:06.189] | JOHN: "That is a very strange life, isn't it. |
| [24:08.162] | I mean, that's another manifestation of craziness." |
| [24:11.415] | PAUL: "You don't really TALK to her 'cuz she's the Queen. |
| [24:13.763] | It's like you don't really TALK to President Johnson ever. |
| [24:16.112] | You just sort of shake hands and APPEAR to talk to him." |
| [24:19.149] | JOHN: "And if they BELIEVE that they're royal, that's the joke. |
| [24:21.812] | You know, if they believe it..." |
| [24:23.899] | PAUL: "It's crazy." |
| [24:25.613] | JOHN: "...well they can carry on, you know. |
| [24:26.912] | Because it's just very strange to think that you are royal." |
| [24:30.199] | PAUL: "They're probably just great and human and have just got their own scene going, you know." |
| [24:36.326] | JOHN: "One or two of them, maybe... (giggles) over five-million." |
| [24:38.913] | PAUL: "And it's just a very difficult job." |
| [24:40.111] | Q: "Do you think it all should end?" |
| [24:41.661] | JOHN: "Well, I dont know about that. But it's very costly." PAUL: (laughs) |
| [24:46.398] | JOHN: "It's priorities really, isn't it." |
| [24:48.940] | Q: "It's been said that you have such a tremendous amount of influence. |
| [24:54.270] | You said yourself in that very controversial remark one time that you were more popular than Jesus, |
| [24:58.745] | and you had to correct the interpretation of that." JOHN: "Yeah." |
| [25:01.284] | PAUL: "'The Queen is freaky' isn't a bad one." |
| [25:03.032] | Q: "Yeah, that's not too bad, either. ??? never had bigger crowds(?) as you did |
| [25:04.631] | PAUL: (jokingly) "Another headline taken out of context yet again!" |
| [25:10.060] | Q: "The United States has been plagued by the war in Vietnam, |
| [25:13.603] | and the world has been concerned about it. |
| [25:16.678] | What are your views about the war?" |
| [25:17.928] | JOHN: "It's another piece of insanity. |
| [25:20.327] | It's all part of the same insane scene that's going on. |
| [25:25.363] | It's just insane. It shouldn't be going on. There's nothing else for it... no reason, just insanity." |
| [25:32.873] | PAUL: "You know, whoever's right and whoever's wrong, |
| [25:37.252] | it's still... the thing that's going on there isn't a good thing. It's only that much willed(?). |
| [25:44.637] | A few bits of it does rough things going on. |
| [25:48.824] | A few bits does worse things and a few bits is just insane. And that's one of those bits. |
| [25:55.625] | Q: "Since you're not diplomats, let me ask you to meddle in American politics as our concluding question. |
| [26:01.476] | We have a lot of candidates..."PAUL & JOHN: "We don't know much about it." |
| [26:03.917] | Q: "You know the names..." JOHN: "No." |
| [26:05.434] | Q: "You've heard the names..." |
| [26:06.581] | JOHN: "Not really."PAUL: (jokingly) Eisenhower?"Q: (laughs) JOHN: "We hear the sort of Kennedy, |
| [26:09.472] | and we met a man called Green who sells plastic flowers to try and get people to vote for him, |
| [26:16.285] | which is a good sign of what he is, anyway. |
| [26:18.683] | But we don't know much others." |
| [26:20.283] | PAUL: (peace symbols) "Doves." JOHN: "Doves and olives."(laughter) |
| [26:21.783] | JOHN: "Anything about that, my choice would be a dove. |
| [26:25.773] | But I mean, it might be an insane dove. |
| [26:27.370] | That's the risk you gotta take." |
| [26:29.808] | Q: "You're not ready to make a commitment?" |
| [26:35.447] | PAUL: "Yeah sure. Go on, ask some." |
| [26:36.796] | Q: "Would you pick a McCarthy, or a Kennedy?"JOHN: "A dove." |
| [26:39.458] | Q: "Humphrey, Nixon or Rockefeller?" JOHN: "A dove." |
| [26:43.809] | PAUL: "Yeah. You know, it's just too hard 'cuz we don't know what they are, those people. |
| [26:50.260] | We see all their pictures in the paper, |
| [26:52.546] | but we don't know really what they're doing. Do you?" |
| [26:55.547] | Q: "What about Harold Wilson?" (Merseyside member of Parliament and then-current Prime Minister) |
| [26:58.897] | JOHN: "Yes! What's HE doing?!"(laughter) |
| [27:00.771] | JOHN: "I mean, what are they all doing? That's the point." |
| [27:03.423] | Q: "Let me just ask this one final question. |
| [27:06.935] | What do you do when you talk about the establishment, |
| [27:09.922] | and you try to put something in it's place... when you're not satisfied with..." |
| [27:13.848] | JOHN: "We're all part of it as well. |
| [27:15.146] | I mean, the establishment is abstract and all that bit. |
| [27:18.649] | We're all part of it. |
| [27:20.659] | So it's just to change it anyway you can, if you think you can. |
| [27:26.998] | That's all you can do." |
| [27:28.197] | Q: "Gentlemen, Thank you very much." |
| [27:30.421] | JOHN: "Pleasure."PAUL: "Thank you." |
| [27:31.844] | Q: John Lennon and Paul McCartney. |
| [00:00.000] | zuo ci : N A |
| [00:00.000] | zuo qu : N A |
| [00:00.000] | Q: John Lennon and Paul McCartney , |
| [00:01.998] | What do you think is the one single thing |
| [00:04.073] | that most contributed to your phenomenal, |
| [00:06.185] | unprecedented success in the past 8 or 9 years? Any single thing?" |
| [00:11.994] | JOHN: " Umm, God?" |
| [00:13.667] | PAUL: " I' ll go along with that." |
| [00:17.316] | Q: " So much has been said that you started a trend, |
| [00:21.403] | and that the trend that exists today |
| [00:23.392] | this whole psychedelic mixedmedia world..." PAUL JOHN: laugh |
| [00:26.880] | Q: "... kind of goes back to the early days |
| [00:28.828] | when you embarked on that, some have said, rockstrewn path." |
| [00:32.204] | JOHN: " We' re just part of it, whatever it is." |
| [00:35.242] | PAUL: " We didn' t set that one. We' re just rolling along with it." |
| [00:38.791] | JOHN: " But we' re part of it, you know." |
| [00:40.941] | Q: " But you were so much ahead, though, as so many have said." |
| [00:43.678] | JOHN: " To a degree. There' s always somebody a bit ahead." |
| [00:46.028] | Q: " What led you down that road in the first place? |
| [00:49.667] | What brought you into that medium?" |
| [00:51.916] | PAUL: " Progress. Just natural progress as things change. |
| [00:57.967] | You know, they just keep changing. You can' t help it. |
| [00:59.816] | And we just laughs kept along with them as they kept changing... |
| [01:04.028] | And here we are!" |
| [01:05.841] | Q: " The millions of young people that now are grown up, |
| [01:10.354] | I suppose, had started out with you a few years ago. |
| [01:12.628] | They' ve been affected, it' s said, by what you' ve done, |
| [01:16.578] | deeply and permanently. |
| [01:18.229] | Do you think this is true?" |
| [01:19.378] | JOHN: " Yeah, in some cases that will be true." |
| [01:22.416] | PAUL: " Yeah, and it goes for us, too. |
| [01:24.166] | We' ve been affected by them." |
| [01:25.554] | JOHN: " I tell ya, I' m permanently affected by Elvis Presley... |
| [01:27.753] | Permanently affected by whoever it is you' re affected by." |
| [01:30.629] | PAUL: jokingly "... scars to prove it." |
| [01:32.241] | Q: " Going back again to the early 1960' s |
| [01:36.141] | when you first achieved your outstanding success. |
| [01:39.641] | Things were very different in the world then |
| [01:41.666] | the world of popular music and the world of youth, |
| [01:43.904] | weren' t they, than they are today." |
| [01:45.365] | JOHN: " It' s gonna be... It' s just change, you know. |
| [01:48.304] | Everything changes. |
| [01:49.590] | EVERYTHING was different then, |
| [01:50.766] | so there' s no sort of specifics about it. |
| [01:53.917] | The whole thing' s continually changing. |
| [01:55.903] | So we can' t really comment on why one particular man |
| [02:01.467] | had better white trousers on in 1933. |
| [02:05.115] | There' s nothing to say about it, but it happened." |
| [02:07.916] | PAUL: jokingly to John " Wrap up adlib! Close to script!" |
| [02:10.416] | Q: " Yeah, we should go back to ' copy' now." laughter |
| [02:13.004] | Q: " But changes that did occur in those years... |
| [02:15.290] | How would you describe the kind of change? |
| [02:17.403] | Was it the waking of a sleeping giant? |
| [02:20.290] | We talk about young people, |
| [02:21.640] | and we talk about the fact that so much has awakened |
| [02:25.765] | on the scene of life for young people." |
| [02:28.916] | PAUL: " You know I mean, none of us know what it is. |
| [02:32.428] | I don' t think anyone knows what it is. |
| [02:34.216] | And it' s just... it' s life, you know. |
| [02:36.353] | You appear to grow up, |
| [02:38.741] | and we started off in leather jackets chinging away on guitars. |
| [02:44.978] | And it went through a lot of phases until it got here. |
| [02:49.128] | You know, and that' s all we can say about it. |
| [02:51.404] | I don' t know what happened. laughs |
| [02:52.423] | You can' t say exactly what went on." JOHN: " How can you say?" |
| [02:58.013] | Q: " Do you think that seven, eight, nine, ten years ago, |
| [03:02.138] | that young people were less awake?" |
| [03:05.302] | JOHN: " I think they' re becoming more aware each generation. |
| [03:08.125] | I don' t know whether it' ll end at some point |
| [03:10.414] | and go back to the start. |
| [03:11.475] | But it seems to be going that way more aware." |
| [03:14.338] | Q: " More new experiences all the time?" |
| [03:17.538] | JOHN: " Well of course." |
| [03:18.638] | PAUL: " More aware, but no one' s quite sure |
| [03:20.713] | what it is that they' re aware of. |
| [03:22.813] | But they' re aware of it laughing whatever it is. |
| [03:26.563] | pause You know, it' s one of those things |
| [03:29.087] | you can' t talk about because it gets into things |
| [03:33.125] | you can' t put your finger on. |
| [03:34.575] | to himself Wrap up adlib. Close to script." |
| [03:39.614] | Q: " A lot of older people seem to feel that the young people today, |
| [03:42.313] | as I suppose older people always felt, |
| [03:43.922] | are always rebelling against the older generation. |
| [03:46.521] | But that this rebellion has gone so much further than other rebellions." |
| [03:50.296] | JOHN: " Yes." PAUL: " Yeah." |
| [03:52.771] | JOHN: " What will the next one be like, you know." |
| [03:54.059] | Q: " They' ll rebell against you." |
| [03:55.559] | JOHN: " Depending on what we turn into." |
| [03:57.821] | Q: " What are you going to turn into?" |
| [03:59.734] | JOHN: " Well, if we stay like we are now it mightn' t be bad. |
| [04:03.946] | But we should progress and be able to still communicate with kids |
| [04:07.609] | if this change is as important as it might be. |
| [04:11.559] | But if it isn' t, it' s just the same again. comically, to the announcer What' s yours?" |
| [04:16.171] | Q: " That' s a good question. pause |
| [04:18.008] | But as you leave the 20' s... How soon will that be for both of you?" |
| [04:22.146] | JOHN: " I' m 27." |
| [04:22.896] | PAUL: " 25." |
| [04:24.570] | Q: " You still have a ways to go, |
| [04:25.783] | but you talk about yourselves as gray old men in a sense, |
| [04:28.472] | compared to those years ago." |
| [04:29.771] | JOHN: giggles " It' s only the way you' re hearing it." laughter |
| [04:31.495] | Q: " You' ve made so much money |
| [04:34.045] | and you' ve achieved so much success so early. |
| [04:36.470] | Does this worry you?" |
| [04:37.633] | JOHN: " It' s not a worry, it' s just... |
| [04:39.896] | It saved us wasting our lives achieving it." |
| [04:42.420] | PAUL: " Yeah. Our thing just happens to be |
| [04:45.758] | very condensed and speeded. It' s speeded up..." |
| [04:50.196] | JOHN: " We chose a modern form of success." |
| [04:51.895] | PAUL: "... very quick, because one second we were just there |
| [04:54.782] | doing ' that' with ' that much' money. |
| [04:56.846] | The next second... people normally take a lifetime to do... |
| [05:00.458] | it was just all there suddenly, just handed. |
| [05:03.082] | And we didn' t have to do anything for it." |
| [05:04.896] | JOHN: " Except for work, you know." |
| [05:06.822] | PAUL: " We had to work and do songs and make records, |
| [05:09.958] | and that, but it didn' t feel like anything to us. |
| [05:11.945] | And so, that' s incredible, that. |
| [05:15.708] | ' Cuz it makes you think. laughs |
| [05:16.832] | It also makes you rich." |
| [05:21.858] | JOHN: " It' s a way of doing it. |
| [05:22.995] | There' s lots of careers to choose. |
| [05:24.482] | And you choose one... |
| [05:26.258] | Everybody wants to get something, |
| [05:28.295] | or make something one way or another. |
| [05:30.045] | And we chose a modern way of making it... and the socalled? relative making it, money and cars |
| [05:38.096] | because obviously we didn' t want to spend out lives to get to nowhere." |
| [05:43.355] | PAUL: " It' s like, if you could take a pill to just get famous and rich, |
| [05:46.029] | a lot of people would. And ours was a bit like that." |
| [05:49.254] | Q: " Was this what you really wanted to do it for |
| [05:51.254] | ... you wanted to get rich?" PAUL JOHN: " Yeah." |
| [05:52.548] | JOHN: " You just want to ' make it' whatever you do. |
| [05:56.183] | You all set out leaving school or whatever, and you want to make it. |
| [05:59.945] | So you choose your field, and you make it or you don' t. |
| [06:04.434] | But MAKE IT, that isn' t it because there' s nothing to MAKE. |
| [06:10.145] | So we were in the position to find out it' s not worth spending your life looking... trying to get cars and kid gloves." |
| [06:20.784] | Q: " Has the fun gone out of your musical career |
| [06:26.824] | now that you' ve made so much money?" PAUL JOHN: " No." JOHN: " Nothing like that." |
| [06:29.095] | PAUL: " You see, you' re asking questions which are quite serious... |
| [06:34.309] | and you' re not asking us, uhh you know, |
| [06:38.146] | where we get our hair cut. |
| [06:39.382] | You can' t expect all these sort of happy answers |
| [06:42.655] | when you' re asking serious questions." JOHN: " You want the answers. |
| [06:44.726] | Well, we' re giving you the answer, you know." PAUL: " As we see it." |
| [06:47.387] | PAUL: jokingly " It isn' t very clearly..." |
| [06:49.344] | Q: " Of course it' s unclear... Now that you have this tremendous influence, |
| [06:54.942] | which you obviously have all over the world, |
| [06:57.779] | do you have a particular feeling about what you want to do with this power?" |
| [07:02.005] | JOHN: " Just, whatever it is, to try and channel it for GOOD... |
| [07:05.354] | if we can, you know. |
| [07:07.579] | That' s the only point of doing anything. |
| [07:09.691] | So we' ve got this machine, |
| [07:13.218] | and we' ll try and make use of it, for good, |
| [07:15.667] | and not just to have a machine." |
| [07:17.554] | PAUL: " You know, you' ve got your life and you' re faced with choices in it. |
| [07:23.730] | And for us being suddenly rich and famous, |
| [07:30.593] | and in a position to do something, |
| [07:32.841] | we' ve got a choice of doing either what most people do, |
| [07:37.592] | which is just making more and more money, |
| [07:39.854] | and getting more and more rich and famous... |
| [07:42.066] | or trying to DO something which will help. |
| [07:45.016] | And it sounds a bit like charity, but it' s obviously the one we' ve chosen ' cuz it' s just better. |
| [07:54.433] | And it just might be in the long run..." |
| [07:57.973] | JOHN: " Might be good." |
| [07:58.858] | PAUL: " Might be good." |
| [07:59.846] | Q: " Let' s stick with the young people and the areas that you think are most fruitful to try to help in. |
| [08:05.910] | I asked before, where you thought young people were going, |
| [08:10.360] | and you said well maybe there' ll be a reaction to what they have now. |
| [08:13.322] | How does this relate to the real world as you see it... |
| [08:17.909] | to issues of war and peace, family and country? |
| [08:21.821] | JOHN: " All issues are relative. So it relates like that. |
| [08:26.183] | It' s all just relative to each other. |
| [08:28.008] | War pause and vegetables. |
| [08:30.458] | ' Cuz there' s relativity and absolute. |
| [08:36.112] | And that' s how it relates, you know." |
| [08:39.185] | PAUL: chuckles " Great, Johnny." |
| [08:39.772] | Q: " It' s kind of hard though for some people to interpret you." |
| [08:42.711] | JOHN: " Well, if they can' t interpret it, maybe they will later... |
| [08:46.035] | or come to their own conclusions. |
| [08:49.046] | But that' s the way I think it is." |
| [08:51.583] | PAUL: to John " But what do you think about the young people?" |
| [08:55.359] | JOHN: " Well... I think they' re young, you know, |
| [08:58.658] | and trying to find out. That' s all." |
| [09:00.696] | PAUL: " They seem to be trying to stop wars, and that. " |
| [09:04.521] | JOHN: "... which is beautiful." |
| [09:06.852] | PAUL: " It just looks as though everyone is trying to stop all that killing, and all that fighting." |
| [09:12.165] | JOHN: " It' s a good idea." |
| [09:13.926] | PAUL: " It sounds good. It may be just silly to try, but it may be good!" |
| [09:21.738] | Q: " It may not work." PAUL AND JOHN: quiet chuckle |
| [09:23.662] | Q: " The word ' anarchy' has been used to describe some of the..." |
| [09:27.176] | JONH: " Well I mean, there always will be that element because, |
| [09:31.589] | when they see it as how they see it to become an anarchist, |
| [09:36.800] | it' s ' What can we do about all that?' |
| [09:39.613] | I mean, what can you do really but wear a badge or stand up and shout. |
| [09:45.262] | So the choice is about shouting or ' let it roll.' |
| [09:49.339] | But they' re a group of people who will go on forever, |
| [09:54.053] | but they don' t actually do anything." |
| [09:57.189] | PAUL: " Everyone needs someone to say ' This is how you do it. |
| [10:01.763] | This is what we want you to do,' you know. |
| [10:06.614] | The thing is, it would be great if we knew how you do it. |
| [10:11.177] | We make guesses, but they' re not always right. |
| [10:14.539] | They' re often wrong, in fact. |
| [10:17.166] | It' d be great if we knew what it is you do |
| [10:19.946] | Cuz we are in a good position, |
| [10:20.969] | just to say to all the people who want to know how you do it. |
| [10:23.894] | Cuz there are so many phony institusions saying |
| [10:27.707] | ' And this is how you do it!' |
| [10:29.106] | Nobody can believe them anymore. |
| [10:32.268] | So it would be nice for people, |
| [10:34.406] | for someone to just come along and say..." |
| [10:36.406] | JOHN: " Well, it would have to be Jesus, or Buddha or something." |
| [10:39.056] | PAUL: " Yeah." |
| [10:39.543] | JOHN: " But they don' t seem to be around at the moment." |
| [10:41.970] | Q: " The whole idea of whether you get involved or whether you stay out of it Whether you' re turned on or turned off. |
| [10:48.980] | How do you feel about that?" |
| [10:50.543] | JOHN: " We believe you should turn on and stay in. |
| [10:53.630] | Change it, you know." |
| [10:54.868] | PAUL: jokingly " Drop in... sometime." |
| [10:57.394] | Q: " When you get involved, do you mean getting involved in the establishment and institutions?" |
| [11:04.433] | JOHN: " Well, to change it... |
| [11:04.905] | because unless you change it, it' s going to be there forever. |
| [11:07.294] | So the only thing to do is to try and change it... |
| [11:10.520] | but not replace it with another set of Harris Tweed suits. |
| [11:12.855] | And just change it completely. |
| [11:15.456] | But how you do that, we don' t know." |
| [11:17.493] | PAUL: " There' s a lot of ways, |
| [11:18.168] | but the one we' ve decided on at the moment |
| [11:21.093] | is just to try and get into a business, |
| [11:26.143] | so that we can go to ' them,' you know, |
| [11:31.270] | all those big bosses in all those big companies, |
| [11:34.168] | and talk to them as though we' re..." laughs |
| [11:38.120] | PAUL JOHN: "... one of them!" |
| [11:41.320] | JOHN: " Of course we' re not, so we' ll see what happens." |
| [11:44.858] | PAUL: " We' re not really, |
| [11:45.205] | but we' ve got people who are doing it for us. |
| [11:48.381] | And it' s a bit different from the hippie scene because people think |
| [11:52.569] | " Oh, they haven' t washed and they' ve got long hair. |
| [11:55.919] | Oh that' s naughty,' you know. |
| [11:57.143] | And people don' t communicate with them |
| [12:02.045] | because they don' t like the look of them, or something." |
| [12:03.731] | JOHN: " We' re gonna package peace in a new box." |
| [12:07.344] | PAUL: " We' re trying to get to, like, |
| [12:09.794] | the people who are sort of in control, and say you know, |
| [12:12.982] | ' Come on. Straighten it out. Don' t mess it up.'" JOHN:?? |
| [12:16.104] | Ask if they can??. It doesn' t look as if they can. |
| [12:22.464] | Q: " You went to India and spent time with Maharishi |
| [12:26.588] | who has had great impact, you feel, on your whole outlook. |
| [12:29.113] | Could you decribe how he' s changed things for you?" |
| [12:32.938] | JOHN: " We sort of feel that Maharishi for us was a mistake, really. |
| [12:39.888] | Meditation we don' t think was a mistake. |
| [12:43.038] | But I think we had a false impression of Maharishi, |
| [12:48.737] | like people do of us, you know. |
| [12:50.100] | But what we do happens in public, so it' s a different scene slightly." |
| [12:56.739] | Q: " What was your original impression?" |
| [12:58.300] | JOHN: " We thought he was something other than he was." |
| [13:00.763] | PAUL: " We thought he was magic, you know, |
| [13:04.062] | because he' s got that kind of thing. |
| [13:07.188] | And he sort of, I dont know, the twinkle in the eye. |
| [13:09.924] | And you just think he..." |
| [13:10.888] | JOHN: " We were looking for it, |
| [13:13.074] | and probably superimposed it on him." |
| [13:15.362] | PAUL: " Yeah, it was just the right time anyway. |
| [13:19.112] | There were we, waiting for someone... |
| [13:20.783] | JOHN: " Waiting for a guru. He came.". PAUL:"... the great magic man to come. |
| [13:23.264] | And he came, you know. There he was and he was talking about it all. |
| [13:25.800] | And he had great answers, |
| [13:27.500] | ' cuz he said ' You can sort yourself out,' |
| [13:29.864] | that you can calm yourself down just |
| [13:34.126] | by doing this very simple thing. |
| [13:35.712] | And it works, that bit of it. It really does do it, you know." |
| [13:40.300] | JOHN: " But the other bit He' s giving out recipes for something, |
| [13:44.724] | then he' s still creating the same kind of situations |
| [13:48.889] | which he' s giving out recipes to cure." |
| [13:50.525] | PAUL: " But it seems like the system is more important... |
| [13:53.915] | Q: " Sort of a touch of establishment in the Maharishi?" |
| [13:56.990] | JOHN: " Something, you know. We can' t...." |
| [13:59.215] | PAUL: " He' s okay, but the system is more important, y' know... |
| [14:02.874] | JOHN: Something taking over something... the idea of it. |
| [14:04.808] | JOHN: Some seems to ??? It always goes by the Budhha? bit. |
| [14:09.243] | If people watch Maharishi, or watch us, |
| [14:12.936] | they don' t think about the system |
| [14:16.398] | don' t think about what it' s about, you know. " |
| [14:17.847] | Q: " He got you to stop taking drugs." |
| [14:22.459] | JOHN: " No he didn' t. |
| [14:23.441] | We' d stopped taking drugs a couple of months before, when we met him. |
| [14:28.141] | And that was just sort of... |
| [14:30.604] | The newspapers said, ' Oh! Put it together, we got a title.' |
| [14:34.706] | But it' s just not true." |
| [14:36.479] | Q: " You feel that drugs are not necessary anymore for what you do?" |
| [14:41.480] | JOHN: " Uhh, I don' t know. |
| [14:42.666] | I' m not making any statements about what I' m going to do for the next 60 years or whatever it is, because I' ve no idea anymore. |
| [14:51.794] | You can never really know, but just have a vague goal." |
| [14:56.369] | PAUL: " Not at the moment, anyway." |
| [14:59.104] | JOHN: " It' s no use saying ' I will never take drugs' |
| [15:01.729] | or ' I WILL take drugs,' because you don' t know." |
| [15:04.616] | Q: " After the experiences that you' ve had, |
| [15:07.679] | do you think that young people who are your fans, |
| [15:12.080] | who idolize you, ought to try the same thing?" |
| [15:14.969] | JOHN: " No. We don' t give instructions on how to live your life. |
| [15:18.255] | The only thing we can do, because we' re in the public eye, |
| [15:20.404] | is to reflect what we do. |
| [15:25.281] | And they can judge for themselves what happens to us |
| [15:27.392] | with Maharishi, with drugs, with whatever we go on. |
| [15:31.406] | If they' re using us as a guideline. |
| [15:32.929] | And we can only try and do what' s right for us, |
| [15:36.216] | and therefore, we hope right for them." |
| [15:39.367] | PAUL: " Some fella said to me, |
| [15:41.470] | ' Have you had LSD, Paul?' |
| [15:43.996] | And I said ' Yes.' And it was only ' cuz |
| [15:49.432] | I was going to just be honest with him. |
| [15:50.969] | There' s no other reason. |
| [15:52.533] | I didn' t want to spread it or anything, you know. |
| [15:54.319] | I' m not trying to do anything except answer his question. |
| [15:57.746] | But he happened to be a reporter, |
| [15:59.231] | and I happened to be a Beatle. |
| [16:00.844] | So it went into that, you know." |
| [16:03.144] | JOHN: " And it was his responsibility, |
| [16:04.269] | or his paper' s responsibility and his TV station." |
| [16:08.044] | PAUL: " That' s the thing He immediately said ' Oh, it' s this man' s responsibility. He' s just saying all the kids should take LSD.' |
| [16:15.921] | And I didn' t, you know. I just said, |
| [16:19.257] | ' Yes I' ve taken it. Okay I own up,' you know." |
| [16:21.620] | Q: " Do you think the press distorts a great deal of what you say?" PAUL JOHN: Yes!" |
| [16:25.783] | JOHN: " I don' t think there' s anywhere, |
| [16:27.019] | any truth coming over about what' s happening at all." laughter |
| [16:29.909] | Q: " Generally, all the way across the board?" |
| [16:33.858] | JOHN: " There is no truth coming out, at all. PAUL: It' s not ??? |
| [16:38.270] | The only true thing about newspapers is the name of the newpaper. PAUL: I mean newspapers... |
| [16:44.820] | And I' m not saying that they are intentionally evil or anything, |
| [16:49.660] | it' s just they can' t control it. |
| [16:51.796] | And the system won' t allow truth to come out." PAUL: " Yeah." |
| [16:55.132] | JOHN: " So there' s something wrong with the system." |
| [16:57.220] | PAUL: " You know I mean, this |
| [16:59.923] | It' s a pretty sort of ordinary interview. |
| [17:02.984] | It' s pretty dull, you know. |
| [17:03.945] | Except for one or two little things, which will have been headlines..." |
| [17:08.170] | Q: " Of course, when someone watches television, they see it." PAUL: ... and that' s what the newspapers use to take them...??? |
| [17:11.908] | JOHN: " Television is a bit better, |
| [17:14.369] | but it' s still under the influence of the system |
| [17:18.596] | that doesn' t really allow truth to come out." |
| [17:20.520] | Q: " Well, now you' re saying what you think and people are seeing what you say." |
| [17:24.233] | JOHN: " Just for this moment, maybe. |
| [17:26.358] | If we are saying the truth as we know it. |
| [17:29.382] | but in general, I mean... |
| [17:31.158] | Are you saying that the truth is coming out all the time? |
| [17:33.784] | I don' t know. You think so? You try, yeah, PAUL: No, it' s probably not, I mean.... |
| [17:38.746] | you try but you' ve still got a system which restricts and inhibits people speaking their mind. |
| [17:45.320] | I mean, we can speak our mind now about these subjects. |
| [17:47.557] | But there will be limits imposed. And Rules." PAUL: " Mmmm." |
| [17:52.044] | JOHN: "... which are to safeguard something or other. |
| [17:54.094] | But safeguarding it prevents... it has a side effect. |
| [17:59.422] | And the choice is, where to draw the line." |
| [18:03.746] | PAUL: " It' s like, if you were to ask either of us a question that the answer would be obscene..." |
| [18:12.408] | JOHN: " There' s a censor." |
| [18:13.444] | PAUL: " There' s a limit, you know, to where you could go." |
| [18:15.620] | JOHN: " We couldn' t describe making love to somebody, |
| [18:18.932] | because the system doesn' t allow that. PAUL: But anyway that' s still not to do without truth. They... |
| [18:21.694] | You couldn' t just describe it. That' s where the system' s at." |
| [18:29.069] | Q: " One of the big controversies in your country had been recently |
| [18:34.508] | the whole question of racial integration and of cutting off immigration, |
| [18:38.658] | and of asking some of your nonwhites to go back home again. |
| [18:42.871] | You' ve been asked about this, undoubtedly." JOHN: " No." |
| [18:46.493] | Q: ' Do you think this is the kind of government policy that you want in your country?" |
| [18:52.696] | JOHN: " We sow what we reap, or whatever it is. PAUL: Mmm |
| [18:55.709] | And Britain is paying for what it did to all those countries. |
| [18:59.996] | And to say, ' Keep out,' is just barking in the garden, you know. |
| [19:05.794] | Because whatever is going to happen will happen like that." |
| [19:09.319] | PAUL: " It was just some fella who said in a speech one day..." |
| [19:13.307] | JOHN: " He said what a lot of them thought." PAUL: He??? a few votes and y' know ?? |
| [19:16.495] | Q: " And a lot of people in Liverpool, and other places you know well, favor what he said, apparantly." |
| [19:21.895] | JOHN: " Sure." PAUL: " Yeah." |
| [19:22.744] | JOHN: " Because those people are all over the place. |
| [19:24.125] | That' s why the governments are in power." PAUL: " You know those people, they don' t know a thing. They just hate." |
| [19:27.321] | JOHN: " Because they' re not told anything, as well." |
| [19:30.545] | PAUL: " It' s people like this They say " I' m white and he' s black.' |
| [19:35.921] | Hate, hate, hate. They just hate him." |
| [19:38.571] | JOHN: " And he' s not brought up any other way." |
| [19:39.969] | PAUL: " You know, they don' t know anything else than that, |
| [19:42.244] | so they' ve got to agree with this fella who says |
| [19:44.731] | " We' ve got a dangerous situation here.'" |
| [19:46.256] | JOHN: " And they vote him in, and he just makes them feel alright. |
| [19:49.295] | And he tells them that ' You' re right! You know what' s happening. |
| [19:52.245] | You put me in power' |
| [19:53.131] | But what they don' t know is that he knows a bit more what' s going on. |
| [19:58.097] | That' s why he' s in power. |
| [19:59.082] | But he' s not going to tell them what' s happening because he wants to stay in power. |
| [20:03.462] | Because if they knew, they wouldn' t have put him in power, somebody else would be." |
| [20:06.782] | PAUL: " But it' s not as bad in England as it is here." |
| [20:09.719] | JOHN: " It probably is, but it' s just a different..." |
| [20:12.169] | PAUL: " I don' t think it is." |
| [20:13.193] | Q: " You' re talking about racism?" |
| [20:14.418] | JOHN: " Well, it will be then." |
| [20:16.644] | PAUL: " I don' t think it' s as bad, just from what I' ve seen. |
| [20:21.633] | It might be. ' Cuz it' s hidden more in England, definitely, you know." |
| [20:24.495] | JOHN: " That might be worse." |
| [20:26.556] | PAUL: " That might be worse, yeah. |
| [20:27.093] | But there' s just not the numbers going on." |
| [20:33.221] | JOHN: " Well, it' s just that. England is THAT big, |
| [20:35.258] | and America is THAT big." |
| [20:37.052] | PAUL: giggles, jokingly " It' s much worse in England, you know!" laughter |
| [20:40.077] | Q: ???... Tell us about it. JOHN: giggling... terrible things... Oh no, he was joking then. Q: laughing " Really?!" JOHN: " He came ' round the circle." |
| [20:50.718] | Q: " This business of color, and young people, and people who follow you... This doesn' t have any significance in the mind of many of your young people?" |
| [21:01.943] | PAUL: " No, it' s good. Most people don' t... |
| [21:03.932] | It seems to be older people who really have got hangups." |
| [21:07.608] | JOHN: " Yes, and musicians and their vibrations don' t usually have this about what street you live on. |
| [21:15.333] | I mean, they get that scene sorted out as soon as they meet other musicians. Because it' s the music that counts. |
| [21:21.496] | There' s no common denominator for society like music or whatever they' re going for." |
| [21:26.884] | PAUL: " If someone can play guitar, it doesn' t matter what colored hands he uses." |
| [21:30.882] | JOHN: " But it also doesn' t matter for the carpenter and the bricklayer, and all that." |
| [21:35.382] | PAUL: " But I mean, everyone knows that anyway. There' s only a few... I don' t know who these people are who..." |
| [21:43.985] | JOHN: giggling " They' re the ones who vote for those people." |
| [21:46.695] | PAUL: giggles " You know, there' s just some funny people around who' re messing it up." |
| [21:50.572] | JOHN: " Lots of them." |
| [21:51.294] | PAUL: " Let' s find those people." |
| [21:53.094] | Q: " Of course, there' s people who don' t like the long hair..." |
| [21:54.882] | JOHN: " Well, we know those people are SICK! |
| [21:57.946] | And we might all be sick. |
| [22:00.995] | But their manifestations of sickness are pretty horrible, really. Frightening." |
| [22:08.259] | PAUL: " There was some thing in England where a kid went to the barbers and his Uncle said ' Go and get your hair cut.' |
| [22:15.544] | And so he went and he just had a little bit off, |
| [22:17.119] | ' cuz he had it quite long and he liked it. |
| [22:18.495] | And he came back with just a bit off |
| [22:20.807] | So his Uncle, his guardian, |
| [22:22.407] | got annoyed and dragged him back and had it all off. |
| [22:25.295] | The kid just come with a little crewcut, |
| [22:27.532] | and he was really broken up about it. |
| [22:30.169] | And the next morning they found him on the railway lines. |
| [22:32.032] | The kid has just sort of laid down with his crewcut. |
| [22:35.259] | chop You know, there' s no need for that." |
| [22:38.960] | JOHN: " To make haircuts that important is insanity." |
| [22:41.320] | Q: " Some people probably say to you, |
| [22:43.918] | ' Why don' t you cut your hair short? |
| [22:46.233] | Are you just wearing it that way to be different?'" |
| [22:48.394] | PAUL: " No it' s just, ' Why don' t you wear yours long,' you know." |
| [22:51.870] | JOHN: " We know what we like in that respect. |
| [22:54.019] | We please ourselves. |
| [22:55.794] | And what' s it got to do with pause some man with one eye." laughter PAULL: It is not... there' s no... giggling |
| [23:03.700] | JOHN: giggling " You know that man with one eye that' s always sitting ' round the back!" laughter |
| [23:07.667] | JOHN: "... and asking ya why your hair is long!" Q: Yeah... But he' s always there... |
| [23:12.240] | PAUL: laughs " Yeah, but all those things about hair and color... You know, |
| [23:16.017] | all those things that hang people up. |
| [23:17.654] | There' s no need, ' cuz there' s no worry. |
| [23:20.253] | I mean, those are the least worrying things around." |
| [23:22.290] | JOHN: " But they' re the causes, aren' t they! PAUL: Yeah, they seem to be... One of the ?? causes. Dittle dittle rum bumble bumble?" |
| [23:28.719] | Q: " What about the Queen and royalty in Britain? Is that a hang up?" |
| [23:32.655] | JOHN: " It' s not a hang up, but I mean |
| [23:34.466] | Imagine being brought up like that for twothousand years. |
| [23:37.768] | You must be pretty freaky. |
| [23:39.353] | And they must have a hard time trying to be human beings. |
| [23:42.716] | I don' t know if any of them will ever make it, |
| [23:44.691] | ' cuz I don' t know much about them. |
| [23:46.728] | But, you feel sorry for people like that. |
| [23:50.266] | ' Cuz it' s like us, only worse! |
| [23:53.917] | And whether they know what' s going on or not is another subject." |
| [23:57.617] | PAUL: " They' ve probably got their own thing, you know, inside the castle." |
| [24:00.528] | JOHN: Mmm... Chest?. Paul: Giggling No they are just... |
| [24:03.287] | Q: Well, you' ve been inside the castle ??? the decorations... PAUL: No , I mean.... |
| [24:06.189] | JOHN: " That is a very strange life, isn' t it. |
| [24:08.162] | I mean, that' s another manifestation of craziness." |
| [24:11.415] | PAUL: " You don' t really TALK to her ' cuz she' s the Queen. |
| [24:13.763] | It' s like you don' t really TALK to President Johnson ever. |
| [24:16.112] | You just sort of shake hands and APPEAR to talk to him." |
| [24:19.149] | JOHN: " And if they BELIEVE that they' re royal, that' s the joke. |
| [24:21.812] | You know, if they believe it..." |
| [24:23.899] | PAUL: " It' s crazy." |
| [24:25.613] | JOHN: "... well they can carry on, you know. |
| [24:26.912] | Because it' s just very strange to think that you are royal." |
| [24:30.199] | PAUL: " They' re probably just great and human and have just got their own scene going, you know." |
| [24:36.326] | JOHN: " One or two of them, maybe... giggles over fivemillion." |
| [24:38.913] | PAUL: " And it' s just a very difficult job." |
| [24:40.111] | Q: " Do you think it all should end?" |
| [24:41.661] | JOHN: " Well, I dont know about that. But it' s very costly." PAUL: laughs |
| [24:46.398] | JOHN: " It' s priorities really, isn' t it." |
| [24:48.940] | Q: " It' s been said that you have such a tremendous amount of influence. |
| [24:54.270] | You said yourself in that very controversial remark one time that you were more popular than Jesus, |
| [24:58.745] | and you had to correct the interpretation of that." JOHN: " Yeah." |
| [25:01.284] | PAUL: "' The Queen is freaky' isn' t a bad one." |
| [25:03.032] | Q: " Yeah, that' s not too bad, either. ??? never had bigger crowds? as you did |
| [25:04.631] | PAUL: jokingly " Another headline taken out of context yet again!" |
| [25:10.060] | Q: " The United States has been plagued by the war in Vietnam, |
| [25:13.603] | and the world has been concerned about it. |
| [25:16.678] | What are your views about the war?" |
| [25:17.928] | JOHN: " It' s another piece of insanity. |
| [25:20.327] | It' s all part of the same insane scene that' s going on. |
| [25:25.363] | It' s just insane. It shouldn' t be going on. There' s nothing else for it... no reason, just insanity." |
| [25:32.873] | PAUL: " You know, whoever' s right and whoever' s wrong, |
| [25:37.252] | it' s still... the thing that' s going on there isn' t a good thing. It' s only that much willed?. |
| [25:44.637] | A few bits of it does rough things going on. |
| [25:48.824] | A few bits does worse things and a few bits is just insane. And that' s one of those bits. |
| [25:55.625] | Q: " Since you' re not diplomats, let me ask you to meddle in American politics as our concluding question. |
| [26:01.476] | We have a lot of candidates..." PAUL JOHN: " We don' t know much about it." |
| [26:03.917] | Q: " You know the names..." JOHN: " No." |
| [26:05.434] | Q: " You' ve heard the names..." |
| [26:06.581] | JOHN: " Not really." PAUL: jokingly Eisenhower?" Q: laughs JOHN: " We hear the sort of Kennedy, |
| [26:09.472] | and we met a man called Green who sells plastic flowers to try and get people to vote for him, |
| [26:16.285] | which is a good sign of what he is, anyway. |
| [26:18.683] | But we don' t know much others." |
| [26:20.283] | PAUL: peace symbols " Doves." JOHN: " Doves and olives." laughter |
| [26:21.783] | JOHN: " Anything about that, my choice would be a dove. |
| [26:25.773] | But I mean, it might be an insane dove. |
| [26:27.370] | That' s the risk you gotta take." |
| [26:29.808] | Q: " You' re not ready to make a commitment?" |
| [26:35.447] | PAUL: " Yeah sure. Go on, ask some." |
| [26:36.796] | Q: " Would you pick a McCarthy, or a Kennedy?" JOHN: " A dove." |
| [26:39.458] | Q: " Humphrey, Nixon or Rockefeller?" JOHN: " A dove." |
| [26:43.809] | PAUL: " Yeah. You know, it' s just too hard ' cuz we don' t know what they are, those people. |
| [26:50.260] | We see all their pictures in the paper, |
| [26:52.546] | but we don' t know really what they' re doing. Do you?" |
| [26:55.547] | Q: " What about Harold Wilson?" Merseyside member of Parliament and thencurrent Prime Minister |
| [26:58.897] | JOHN: " Yes! What' s HE doing?!" laughter |
| [27:00.771] | JOHN: " I mean, what are they all doing? That' s the point." |
| [27:03.423] | Q: " Let me just ask this one final question. |
| [27:06.935] | What do you do when you talk about the establishment, |
| [27:09.922] | and you try to put something in it' s place... when you' re not satisfied with..." |
| [27:13.848] | JOHN: " We' re all part of it as well. |
| [27:15.146] | I mean, the establishment is abstract and all that bit. |
| [27:18.649] | We' re all part of it. |
| [27:20.659] | So it' s just to change it anyway you can, if you think you can. |
| [27:26.998] | That' s all you can do." |
| [27:28.197] | Q: " Gentlemen, Thank you very much." |
| [27:30.421] | JOHN: " Pleasure." PAUL: " Thank you." |
| [27:31.844] | Q: John Lennon and Paul McCartney. |
| [00:00.000] | zuò cí : N A |
| [00:00.000] | zuò qǔ : N A |
| [00:00.000] | Q: John Lennon and Paul McCartney , |
| [00:01.998] | What do you think is the one single thing |
| [00:04.073] | that most contributed to your phenomenal, |
| [00:06.185] | unprecedented success in the past 8 or 9 years? Any single thing?" |
| [00:11.994] | JOHN: " Umm, God?" |
| [00:13.667] | PAUL: " I' ll go along with that." |
| [00:17.316] | Q: " So much has been said that you started a trend, |
| [00:21.403] | and that the trend that exists today |
| [00:23.392] | this whole psychedelic mixedmedia world..." PAUL JOHN: laugh |
| [00:26.880] | Q: "... kind of goes back to the early days |
| [00:28.828] | when you embarked on that, some have said, rockstrewn path." |
| [00:32.204] | JOHN: " We' re just part of it, whatever it is." |
| [00:35.242] | PAUL: " We didn' t set that one. We' re just rolling along with it." |
| [00:38.791] | JOHN: " But we' re part of it, you know." |
| [00:40.941] | Q: " But you were so much ahead, though, as so many have said." |
| [00:43.678] | JOHN: " To a degree. There' s always somebody a bit ahead." |
| [00:46.028] | Q: " What led you down that road in the first place? |
| [00:49.667] | What brought you into that medium?" |
| [00:51.916] | PAUL: " Progress. Just natural progress as things change. |
| [00:57.967] | You know, they just keep changing. You can' t help it. |
| [00:59.816] | And we just laughs kept along with them as they kept changing... |
| [01:04.028] | And here we are!" |
| [01:05.841] | Q: " The millions of young people that now are grown up, |
| [01:10.354] | I suppose, had started out with you a few years ago. |
| [01:12.628] | They' ve been affected, it' s said, by what you' ve done, |
| [01:16.578] | deeply and permanently. |
| [01:18.229] | Do you think this is true?" |
| [01:19.378] | JOHN: " Yeah, in some cases that will be true." |
| [01:22.416] | PAUL: " Yeah, and it goes for us, too. |
| [01:24.166] | We' ve been affected by them." |
| [01:25.554] | JOHN: " I tell ya, I' m permanently affected by Elvis Presley... |
| [01:27.753] | Permanently affected by whoever it is you' re affected by." |
| [01:30.629] | PAUL: jokingly "... scars to prove it." |
| [01:32.241] | Q: " Going back again to the early 1960' s |
| [01:36.141] | when you first achieved your outstanding success. |
| [01:39.641] | Things were very different in the world then |
| [01:41.666] | the world of popular music and the world of youth, |
| [01:43.904] | weren' t they, than they are today." |
| [01:45.365] | JOHN: " It' s gonna be... It' s just change, you know. |
| [01:48.304] | Everything changes. |
| [01:49.590] | EVERYTHING was different then, |
| [01:50.766] | so there' s no sort of specifics about it. |
| [01:53.917] | The whole thing' s continually changing. |
| [01:55.903] | So we can' t really comment on why one particular man |
| [02:01.467] | had better white trousers on in 1933. |
| [02:05.115] | There' s nothing to say about it, but it happened." |
| [02:07.916] | PAUL: jokingly to John " Wrap up adlib! Close to script!" |
| [02:10.416] | Q: " Yeah, we should go back to ' copy' now." laughter |
| [02:13.004] | Q: " But changes that did occur in those years... |
| [02:15.290] | How would you describe the kind of change? |
| [02:17.403] | Was it the waking of a sleeping giant? |
| [02:20.290] | We talk about young people, |
| [02:21.640] | and we talk about the fact that so much has awakened |
| [02:25.765] | on the scene of life for young people." |
| [02:28.916] | PAUL: " You know I mean, none of us know what it is. |
| [02:32.428] | I don' t think anyone knows what it is. |
| [02:34.216] | And it' s just... it' s life, you know. |
| [02:36.353] | You appear to grow up, |
| [02:38.741] | and we started off in leather jackets chinging away on guitars. |
| [02:44.978] | And it went through a lot of phases until it got here. |
| [02:49.128] | You know, and that' s all we can say about it. |
| [02:51.404] | I don' t know what happened. laughs |
| [02:52.423] | You can' t say exactly what went on." JOHN: " How can you say?" |
| [02:58.013] | Q: " Do you think that seven, eight, nine, ten years ago, |
| [03:02.138] | that young people were less awake?" |
| [03:05.302] | JOHN: " I think they' re becoming more aware each generation. |
| [03:08.125] | I don' t know whether it' ll end at some point |
| [03:10.414] | and go back to the start. |
| [03:11.475] | But it seems to be going that way more aware." |
| [03:14.338] | Q: " More new experiences all the time?" |
| [03:17.538] | JOHN: " Well of course." |
| [03:18.638] | PAUL: " More aware, but no one' s quite sure |
| [03:20.713] | what it is that they' re aware of. |
| [03:22.813] | But they' re aware of it laughing whatever it is. |
| [03:26.563] | pause You know, it' s one of those things |
| [03:29.087] | you can' t talk about because it gets into things |
| [03:33.125] | you can' t put your finger on. |
| [03:34.575] | to himself Wrap up adlib. Close to script." |
| [03:39.614] | Q: " A lot of older people seem to feel that the young people today, |
| [03:42.313] | as I suppose older people always felt, |
| [03:43.922] | are always rebelling against the older generation. |
| [03:46.521] | But that this rebellion has gone so much further than other rebellions." |
| [03:50.296] | JOHN: " Yes." PAUL: " Yeah." |
| [03:52.771] | JOHN: " What will the next one be like, you know." |
| [03:54.059] | Q: " They' ll rebell against you." |
| [03:55.559] | JOHN: " Depending on what we turn into." |
| [03:57.821] | Q: " What are you going to turn into?" |
| [03:59.734] | JOHN: " Well, if we stay like we are now it mightn' t be bad. |
| [04:03.946] | But we should progress and be able to still communicate with kids |
| [04:07.609] | if this change is as important as it might be. |
| [04:11.559] | But if it isn' t, it' s just the same again. comically, to the announcer What' s yours?" |
| [04:16.171] | Q: " That' s a good question. pause |
| [04:18.008] | But as you leave the 20' s... How soon will that be for both of you?" |
| [04:22.146] | JOHN: " I' m 27." |
| [04:22.896] | PAUL: " 25." |
| [04:24.570] | Q: " You still have a ways to go, |
| [04:25.783] | but you talk about yourselves as gray old men in a sense, |
| [04:28.472] | compared to those years ago." |
| [04:29.771] | JOHN: giggles " It' s only the way you' re hearing it." laughter |
| [04:31.495] | Q: " You' ve made so much money |
| [04:34.045] | and you' ve achieved so much success so early. |
| [04:36.470] | Does this worry you?" |
| [04:37.633] | JOHN: " It' s not a worry, it' s just... |
| [04:39.896] | It saved us wasting our lives achieving it." |
| [04:42.420] | PAUL: " Yeah. Our thing just happens to be |
| [04:45.758] | very condensed and speeded. It' s speeded up..." |
| [04:50.196] | JOHN: " We chose a modern form of success." |
| [04:51.895] | PAUL: "... very quick, because one second we were just there |
| [04:54.782] | doing ' that' with ' that much' money. |
| [04:56.846] | The next second... people normally take a lifetime to do... |
| [05:00.458] | it was just all there suddenly, just handed. |
| [05:03.082] | And we didn' t have to do anything for it." |
| [05:04.896] | JOHN: " Except for work, you know." |
| [05:06.822] | PAUL: " We had to work and do songs and make records, |
| [05:09.958] | and that, but it didn' t feel like anything to us. |
| [05:11.945] | And so, that' s incredible, that. |
| [05:15.708] | ' Cuz it makes you think. laughs |
| [05:16.832] | It also makes you rich." |
| [05:21.858] | JOHN: " It' s a way of doing it. |
| [05:22.995] | There' s lots of careers to choose. |
| [05:24.482] | And you choose one... |
| [05:26.258] | Everybody wants to get something, |
| [05:28.295] | or make something one way or another. |
| [05:30.045] | And we chose a modern way of making it... and the socalled? relative making it, money and cars |
| [05:38.096] | because obviously we didn' t want to spend out lives to get to nowhere." |
| [05:43.355] | PAUL: " It' s like, if you could take a pill to just get famous and rich, |
| [05:46.029] | a lot of people would. And ours was a bit like that." |
| [05:49.254] | Q: " Was this what you really wanted to do it for |
| [05:51.254] | ... you wanted to get rich?" PAUL JOHN: " Yeah." |
| [05:52.548] | JOHN: " You just want to ' make it' whatever you do. |
| [05:56.183] | You all set out leaving school or whatever, and you want to make it. |
| [05:59.945] | So you choose your field, and you make it or you don' t. |
| [06:04.434] | But MAKE IT, that isn' t it because there' s nothing to MAKE. |
| [06:10.145] | So we were in the position to find out it' s not worth spending your life looking... trying to get cars and kid gloves." |
| [06:20.784] | Q: " Has the fun gone out of your musical career |
| [06:26.824] | now that you' ve made so much money?" PAUL JOHN: " No." JOHN: " Nothing like that." |
| [06:29.095] | PAUL: " You see, you' re asking questions which are quite serious... |
| [06:34.309] | and you' re not asking us, uhh you know, |
| [06:38.146] | where we get our hair cut. |
| [06:39.382] | You can' t expect all these sort of happy answers |
| [06:42.655] | when you' re asking serious questions." JOHN: " You want the answers. |
| [06:44.726] | Well, we' re giving you the answer, you know." PAUL: " As we see it." |
| [06:47.387] | PAUL: jokingly " It isn' t very clearly..." |
| [06:49.344] | Q: " Of course it' s unclear... Now that you have this tremendous influence, |
| [06:54.942] | which you obviously have all over the world, |
| [06:57.779] | do you have a particular feeling about what you want to do with this power?" |
| [07:02.005] | JOHN: " Just, whatever it is, to try and channel it for GOOD... |
| [07:05.354] | if we can, you know. |
| [07:07.579] | That' s the only point of doing anything. |
| [07:09.691] | So we' ve got this machine, |
| [07:13.218] | and we' ll try and make use of it, for good, |
| [07:15.667] | and not just to have a machine." |
| [07:17.554] | PAUL: " You know, you' ve got your life and you' re faced with choices in it. |
| [07:23.730] | And for us being suddenly rich and famous, |
| [07:30.593] | and in a position to do something, |
| [07:32.841] | we' ve got a choice of doing either what most people do, |
| [07:37.592] | which is just making more and more money, |
| [07:39.854] | and getting more and more rich and famous... |
| [07:42.066] | or trying to DO something which will help. |
| [07:45.016] | And it sounds a bit like charity, but it' s obviously the one we' ve chosen ' cuz it' s just better. |
| [07:54.433] | And it just might be in the long run..." |
| [07:57.973] | JOHN: " Might be good." |
| [07:58.858] | PAUL: " Might be good." |
| [07:59.846] | Q: " Let' s stick with the young people and the areas that you think are most fruitful to try to help in. |
| [08:05.910] | I asked before, where you thought young people were going, |
| [08:10.360] | and you said well maybe there' ll be a reaction to what they have now. |
| [08:13.322] | How does this relate to the real world as you see it... |
| [08:17.909] | to issues of war and peace, family and country? |
| [08:21.821] | JOHN: " All issues are relative. So it relates like that. |
| [08:26.183] | It' s all just relative to each other. |
| [08:28.008] | War pause and vegetables. |
| [08:30.458] | ' Cuz there' s relativity and absolute. |
| [08:36.112] | And that' s how it relates, you know." |
| [08:39.185] | PAUL: chuckles " Great, Johnny." |
| [08:39.772] | Q: " It' s kind of hard though for some people to interpret you." |
| [08:42.711] | JOHN: " Well, if they can' t interpret it, maybe they will later... |
| [08:46.035] | or come to their own conclusions. |
| [08:49.046] | But that' s the way I think it is." |
| [08:51.583] | PAUL: to John " But what do you think about the young people?" |
| [08:55.359] | JOHN: " Well... I think they' re young, you know, |
| [08:58.658] | and trying to find out. That' s all." |
| [09:00.696] | PAUL: " They seem to be trying to stop wars, and that. " |
| [09:04.521] | JOHN: "... which is beautiful." |
| [09:06.852] | PAUL: " It just looks as though everyone is trying to stop all that killing, and all that fighting." |
| [09:12.165] | JOHN: " It' s a good idea." |
| [09:13.926] | PAUL: " It sounds good. It may be just silly to try, but it may be good!" |
| [09:21.738] | Q: " It may not work." PAUL AND JOHN: quiet chuckle |
| [09:23.662] | Q: " The word ' anarchy' has been used to describe some of the..." |
| [09:27.176] | JONH: " Well I mean, there always will be that element because, |
| [09:31.589] | when they see it as how they see it to become an anarchist, |
| [09:36.800] | it' s ' What can we do about all that?' |
| [09:39.613] | I mean, what can you do really but wear a badge or stand up and shout. |
| [09:45.262] | So the choice is about shouting or ' let it roll.' |
| [09:49.339] | But they' re a group of people who will go on forever, |
| [09:54.053] | but they don' t actually do anything." |
| [09:57.189] | PAUL: " Everyone needs someone to say ' This is how you do it. |
| [10:01.763] | This is what we want you to do,' you know. |
| [10:06.614] | The thing is, it would be great if we knew how you do it. |
| [10:11.177] | We make guesses, but they' re not always right. |
| [10:14.539] | They' re often wrong, in fact. |
| [10:17.166] | It' d be great if we knew what it is you do |
| [10:19.946] | Cuz we are in a good position, |
| [10:20.969] | just to say to all the people who want to know how you do it. |
| [10:23.894] | Cuz there are so many phony institusions saying |
| [10:27.707] | ' And this is how you do it!' |
| [10:29.106] | Nobody can believe them anymore. |
| [10:32.268] | So it would be nice for people, |
| [10:34.406] | for someone to just come along and say..." |
| [10:36.406] | JOHN: " Well, it would have to be Jesus, or Buddha or something." |
| [10:39.056] | PAUL: " Yeah." |
| [10:39.543] | JOHN: " But they don' t seem to be around at the moment." |
| [10:41.970] | Q: " The whole idea of whether you get involved or whether you stay out of it Whether you' re turned on or turned off. |
| [10:48.980] | How do you feel about that?" |
| [10:50.543] | JOHN: " We believe you should turn on and stay in. |
| [10:53.630] | Change it, you know." |
| [10:54.868] | PAUL: jokingly " Drop in... sometime." |
| [10:57.394] | Q: " When you get involved, do you mean getting involved in the establishment and institutions?" |
| [11:04.433] | JOHN: " Well, to change it... |
| [11:04.905] | because unless you change it, it' s going to be there forever. |
| [11:07.294] | So the only thing to do is to try and change it... |
| [11:10.520] | but not replace it with another set of Harris Tweed suits. |
| [11:12.855] | And just change it completely. |
| [11:15.456] | But how you do that, we don' t know." |
| [11:17.493] | PAUL: " There' s a lot of ways, |
| [11:18.168] | but the one we' ve decided on at the moment |
| [11:21.093] | is just to try and get into a business, |
| [11:26.143] | so that we can go to ' them,' you know, |
| [11:31.270] | all those big bosses in all those big companies, |
| [11:34.168] | and talk to them as though we' re..." laughs |
| [11:38.120] | PAUL JOHN: "... one of them!" |
| [11:41.320] | JOHN: " Of course we' re not, so we' ll see what happens." |
| [11:44.858] | PAUL: " We' re not really, |
| [11:45.205] | but we' ve got people who are doing it for us. |
| [11:48.381] | And it' s a bit different from the hippie scene because people think |
| [11:52.569] | " Oh, they haven' t washed and they' ve got long hair. |
| [11:55.919] | Oh that' s naughty,' you know. |
| [11:57.143] | And people don' t communicate with them |
| [12:02.045] | because they don' t like the look of them, or something." |
| [12:03.731] | JOHN: " We' re gonna package peace in a new box." |
| [12:07.344] | PAUL: " We' re trying to get to, like, |
| [12:09.794] | the people who are sort of in control, and say you know, |
| [12:12.982] | ' Come on. Straighten it out. Don' t mess it up.'" JOHN:?? |
| [12:16.104] | Ask if they can??. It doesn' t look as if they can. |
| [12:22.464] | Q: " You went to India and spent time with Maharishi |
| [12:26.588] | who has had great impact, you feel, on your whole outlook. |
| [12:29.113] | Could you decribe how he' s changed things for you?" |
| [12:32.938] | JOHN: " We sort of feel that Maharishi for us was a mistake, really. |
| [12:39.888] | Meditation we don' t think was a mistake. |
| [12:43.038] | But I think we had a false impression of Maharishi, |
| [12:48.737] | like people do of us, you know. |
| [12:50.100] | But what we do happens in public, so it' s a different scene slightly." |
| [12:56.739] | Q: " What was your original impression?" |
| [12:58.300] | JOHN: " We thought he was something other than he was." |
| [13:00.763] | PAUL: " We thought he was magic, you know, |
| [13:04.062] | because he' s got that kind of thing. |
| [13:07.188] | And he sort of, I dont know, the twinkle in the eye. |
| [13:09.924] | And you just think he..." |
| [13:10.888] | JOHN: " We were looking for it, |
| [13:13.074] | and probably superimposed it on him." |
| [13:15.362] | PAUL: " Yeah, it was just the right time anyway. |
| [13:19.112] | There were we, waiting for someone... |
| [13:20.783] | JOHN: " Waiting for a guru. He came.". PAUL:"... the great magic man to come. |
| [13:23.264] | And he came, you know. There he was and he was talking about it all. |
| [13:25.800] | And he had great answers, |
| [13:27.500] | ' cuz he said ' You can sort yourself out,' |
| [13:29.864] | that you can calm yourself down just |
| [13:34.126] | by doing this very simple thing. |
| [13:35.712] | And it works, that bit of it. It really does do it, you know." |
| [13:40.300] | JOHN: " But the other bit He' s giving out recipes for something, |
| [13:44.724] | then he' s still creating the same kind of situations |
| [13:48.889] | which he' s giving out recipes to cure." |
| [13:50.525] | PAUL: " But it seems like the system is more important... |
| [13:53.915] | Q: " Sort of a touch of establishment in the Maharishi?" |
| [13:56.990] | JOHN: " Something, you know. We can' t...." |
| [13:59.215] | PAUL: " He' s okay, but the system is more important, y' know... |
| [14:02.874] | JOHN: Something taking over something... the idea of it. |
| [14:04.808] | JOHN: Some seems to ??? It always goes by the Budhha? bit. |
| [14:09.243] | If people watch Maharishi, or watch us, |
| [14:12.936] | they don' t think about the system |
| [14:16.398] | don' t think about what it' s about, you know. " |
| [14:17.847] | Q: " He got you to stop taking drugs." |
| [14:22.459] | JOHN: " No he didn' t. |
| [14:23.441] | We' d stopped taking drugs a couple of months before, when we met him. |
| [14:28.141] | And that was just sort of... |
| [14:30.604] | The newspapers said, ' Oh! Put it together, we got a title.' |
| [14:34.706] | But it' s just not true." |
| [14:36.479] | Q: " You feel that drugs are not necessary anymore for what you do?" |
| [14:41.480] | JOHN: " Uhh, I don' t know. |
| [14:42.666] | I' m not making any statements about what I' m going to do for the next 60 years or whatever it is, because I' ve no idea anymore. |
| [14:51.794] | You can never really know, but just have a vague goal." |
| [14:56.369] | PAUL: " Not at the moment, anyway." |
| [14:59.104] | JOHN: " It' s no use saying ' I will never take drugs' |
| [15:01.729] | or ' I WILL take drugs,' because you don' t know." |
| [15:04.616] | Q: " After the experiences that you' ve had, |
| [15:07.679] | do you think that young people who are your fans, |
| [15:12.080] | who idolize you, ought to try the same thing?" |
| [15:14.969] | JOHN: " No. We don' t give instructions on how to live your life. |
| [15:18.255] | The only thing we can do, because we' re in the public eye, |
| [15:20.404] | is to reflect what we do. |
| [15:25.281] | And they can judge for themselves what happens to us |
| [15:27.392] | with Maharishi, with drugs, with whatever we go on. |
| [15:31.406] | If they' re using us as a guideline. |
| [15:32.929] | And we can only try and do what' s right for us, |
| [15:36.216] | and therefore, we hope right for them." |
| [15:39.367] | PAUL: " Some fella said to me, |
| [15:41.470] | ' Have you had LSD, Paul?' |
| [15:43.996] | And I said ' Yes.' And it was only ' cuz |
| [15:49.432] | I was going to just be honest with him. |
| [15:50.969] | There' s no other reason. |
| [15:52.533] | I didn' t want to spread it or anything, you know. |
| [15:54.319] | I' m not trying to do anything except answer his question. |
| [15:57.746] | But he happened to be a reporter, |
| [15:59.231] | and I happened to be a Beatle. |
| [16:00.844] | So it went into that, you know." |
| [16:03.144] | JOHN: " And it was his responsibility, |
| [16:04.269] | or his paper' s responsibility and his TV station." |
| [16:08.044] | PAUL: " That' s the thing He immediately said ' Oh, it' s this man' s responsibility. He' s just saying all the kids should take LSD.' |
| [16:15.921] | And I didn' t, you know. I just said, |
| [16:19.257] | ' Yes I' ve taken it. Okay I own up,' you know." |
| [16:21.620] | Q: " Do you think the press distorts a great deal of what you say?" PAUL JOHN: Yes!" |
| [16:25.783] | JOHN: " I don' t think there' s anywhere, |
| [16:27.019] | any truth coming over about what' s happening at all." laughter |
| [16:29.909] | Q: " Generally, all the way across the board?" |
| [16:33.858] | JOHN: " There is no truth coming out, at all. PAUL: It' s not ??? |
| [16:38.270] | The only true thing about newspapers is the name of the newpaper. PAUL: I mean newspapers... |
| [16:44.820] | And I' m not saying that they are intentionally evil or anything, |
| [16:49.660] | it' s just they can' t control it. |
| [16:51.796] | And the system won' t allow truth to come out." PAUL: " Yeah." |
| [16:55.132] | JOHN: " So there' s something wrong with the system." |
| [16:57.220] | PAUL: " You know I mean, this |
| [16:59.923] | It' s a pretty sort of ordinary interview. |
| [17:02.984] | It' s pretty dull, you know. |
| [17:03.945] | Except for one or two little things, which will have been headlines..." |
| [17:08.170] | Q: " Of course, when someone watches television, they see it." PAUL: ... and that' s what the newspapers use to take them...??? |
| [17:11.908] | JOHN: " Television is a bit better, |
| [17:14.369] | but it' s still under the influence of the system |
| [17:18.596] | that doesn' t really allow truth to come out." |
| [17:20.520] | Q: " Well, now you' re saying what you think and people are seeing what you say." |
| [17:24.233] | JOHN: " Just for this moment, maybe. |
| [17:26.358] | If we are saying the truth as we know it. |
| [17:29.382] | but in general, I mean... |
| [17:31.158] | Are you saying that the truth is coming out all the time? |
| [17:33.784] | I don' t know. You think so? You try, yeah, PAUL: No, it' s probably not, I mean.... |
| [17:38.746] | you try but you' ve still got a system which restricts and inhibits people speaking their mind. |
| [17:45.320] | I mean, we can speak our mind now about these subjects. |
| [17:47.557] | But there will be limits imposed. And Rules." PAUL: " Mmmm." |
| [17:52.044] | JOHN: "... which are to safeguard something or other. |
| [17:54.094] | But safeguarding it prevents... it has a side effect. |
| [17:59.422] | And the choice is, where to draw the line." |
| [18:03.746] | PAUL: " It' s like, if you were to ask either of us a question that the answer would be obscene..." |
| [18:12.408] | JOHN: " There' s a censor." |
| [18:13.444] | PAUL: " There' s a limit, you know, to where you could go." |
| [18:15.620] | JOHN: " We couldn' t describe making love to somebody, |
| [18:18.932] | because the system doesn' t allow that. PAUL: But anyway that' s still not to do without truth. They... |
| [18:21.694] | You couldn' t just describe it. That' s where the system' s at." |
| [18:29.069] | Q: " One of the big controversies in your country had been recently |
| [18:34.508] | the whole question of racial integration and of cutting off immigration, |
| [18:38.658] | and of asking some of your nonwhites to go back home again. |
| [18:42.871] | You' ve been asked about this, undoubtedly." JOHN: " No." |
| [18:46.493] | Q: ' Do you think this is the kind of government policy that you want in your country?" |
| [18:52.696] | JOHN: " We sow what we reap, or whatever it is. PAUL: Mmm |
| [18:55.709] | And Britain is paying for what it did to all those countries. |
| [18:59.996] | And to say, ' Keep out,' is just barking in the garden, you know. |
| [19:05.794] | Because whatever is going to happen will happen like that." |
| [19:09.319] | PAUL: " It was just some fella who said in a speech one day..." |
| [19:13.307] | JOHN: " He said what a lot of them thought." PAUL: He??? a few votes and y' know ?? |
| [19:16.495] | Q: " And a lot of people in Liverpool, and other places you know well, favor what he said, apparantly." |
| [19:21.895] | JOHN: " Sure." PAUL: " Yeah." |
| [19:22.744] | JOHN: " Because those people are all over the place. |
| [19:24.125] | That' s why the governments are in power." PAUL: " You know those people, they don' t know a thing. They just hate." |
| [19:27.321] | JOHN: " Because they' re not told anything, as well." |
| [19:30.545] | PAUL: " It' s people like this They say " I' m white and he' s black.' |
| [19:35.921] | Hate, hate, hate. They just hate him." |
| [19:38.571] | JOHN: " And he' s not brought up any other way." |
| [19:39.969] | PAUL: " You know, they don' t know anything else than that, |
| [19:42.244] | so they' ve got to agree with this fella who says |
| [19:44.731] | " We' ve got a dangerous situation here.'" |
| [19:46.256] | JOHN: " And they vote him in, and he just makes them feel alright. |
| [19:49.295] | And he tells them that ' You' re right! You know what' s happening. |
| [19:52.245] | You put me in power' |
| [19:53.131] | But what they don' t know is that he knows a bit more what' s going on. |
| [19:58.097] | That' s why he' s in power. |
| [19:59.082] | But he' s not going to tell them what' s happening because he wants to stay in power. |
| [20:03.462] | Because if they knew, they wouldn' t have put him in power, somebody else would be." |
| [20:06.782] | PAUL: " But it' s not as bad in England as it is here." |
| [20:09.719] | JOHN: " It probably is, but it' s just a different..." |
| [20:12.169] | PAUL: " I don' t think it is." |
| [20:13.193] | Q: " You' re talking about racism?" |
| [20:14.418] | JOHN: " Well, it will be then." |
| [20:16.644] | PAUL: " I don' t think it' s as bad, just from what I' ve seen. |
| [20:21.633] | It might be. ' Cuz it' s hidden more in England, definitely, you know." |
| [20:24.495] | JOHN: " That might be worse." |
| [20:26.556] | PAUL: " That might be worse, yeah. |
| [20:27.093] | But there' s just not the numbers going on." |
| [20:33.221] | JOHN: " Well, it' s just that. England is THAT big, |
| [20:35.258] | and America is THAT big." |
| [20:37.052] | PAUL: giggles, jokingly " It' s much worse in England, you know!" laughter |
| [20:40.077] | Q: ???... Tell us about it. JOHN: giggling... terrible things... Oh no, he was joking then. Q: laughing " Really?!" JOHN: " He came ' round the circle." |
| [20:50.718] | Q: " This business of color, and young people, and people who follow you... This doesn' t have any significance in the mind of many of your young people?" |
| [21:01.943] | PAUL: " No, it' s good. Most people don' t... |
| [21:03.932] | It seems to be older people who really have got hangups." |
| [21:07.608] | JOHN: " Yes, and musicians and their vibrations don' t usually have this about what street you live on. |
| [21:15.333] | I mean, they get that scene sorted out as soon as they meet other musicians. Because it' s the music that counts. |
| [21:21.496] | There' s no common denominator for society like music or whatever they' re going for." |
| [21:26.884] | PAUL: " If someone can play guitar, it doesn' t matter what colored hands he uses." |
| [21:30.882] | JOHN: " But it also doesn' t matter for the carpenter and the bricklayer, and all that." |
| [21:35.382] | PAUL: " But I mean, everyone knows that anyway. There' s only a few... I don' t know who these people are who..." |
| [21:43.985] | JOHN: giggling " They' re the ones who vote for those people." |
| [21:46.695] | PAUL: giggles " You know, there' s just some funny people around who' re messing it up." |
| [21:50.572] | JOHN: " Lots of them." |
| [21:51.294] | PAUL: " Let' s find those people." |
| [21:53.094] | Q: " Of course, there' s people who don' t like the long hair..." |
| [21:54.882] | JOHN: " Well, we know those people are SICK! |
| [21:57.946] | And we might all be sick. |
| [22:00.995] | But their manifestations of sickness are pretty horrible, really. Frightening." |
| [22:08.259] | PAUL: " There was some thing in England where a kid went to the barbers and his Uncle said ' Go and get your hair cut.' |
| [22:15.544] | And so he went and he just had a little bit off, |
| [22:17.119] | ' cuz he had it quite long and he liked it. |
| [22:18.495] | And he came back with just a bit off |
| [22:20.807] | So his Uncle, his guardian, |
| [22:22.407] | got annoyed and dragged him back and had it all off. |
| [22:25.295] | The kid just come with a little crewcut, |
| [22:27.532] | and he was really broken up about it. |
| [22:30.169] | And the next morning they found him on the railway lines. |
| [22:32.032] | The kid has just sort of laid down with his crewcut. |
| [22:35.259] | chop You know, there' s no need for that." |
| [22:38.960] | JOHN: " To make haircuts that important is insanity." |
| [22:41.320] | Q: " Some people probably say to you, |
| [22:43.918] | ' Why don' t you cut your hair short? |
| [22:46.233] | Are you just wearing it that way to be different?'" |
| [22:48.394] | PAUL: " No it' s just, ' Why don' t you wear yours long,' you know." |
| [22:51.870] | JOHN: " We know what we like in that respect. |
| [22:54.019] | We please ourselves. |
| [22:55.794] | And what' s it got to do with pause some man with one eye." laughter PAULL: It is not... there' s no... giggling |
| [23:03.700] | JOHN: giggling " You know that man with one eye that' s always sitting ' round the back!" laughter |
| [23:07.667] | JOHN: "... and asking ya why your hair is long!" Q: Yeah... But he' s always there... |
| [23:12.240] | PAUL: laughs " Yeah, but all those things about hair and color... You know, |
| [23:16.017] | all those things that hang people up. |
| [23:17.654] | There' s no need, ' cuz there' s no worry. |
| [23:20.253] | I mean, those are the least worrying things around." |
| [23:22.290] | JOHN: " But they' re the causes, aren' t they! PAUL: Yeah, they seem to be... One of the ?? causes. Dittle dittle rum bumble bumble?" |
| [23:28.719] | Q: " What about the Queen and royalty in Britain? Is that a hang up?" |
| [23:32.655] | JOHN: " It' s not a hang up, but I mean |
| [23:34.466] | Imagine being brought up like that for twothousand years. |
| [23:37.768] | You must be pretty freaky. |
| [23:39.353] | And they must have a hard time trying to be human beings. |
| [23:42.716] | I don' t know if any of them will ever make it, |
| [23:44.691] | ' cuz I don' t know much about them. |
| [23:46.728] | But, you feel sorry for people like that. |
| [23:50.266] | ' Cuz it' s like us, only worse! |
| [23:53.917] | And whether they know what' s going on or not is another subject." |
| [23:57.617] | PAUL: " They' ve probably got their own thing, you know, inside the castle." |
| [24:00.528] | JOHN: Mmm... Chest?. Paul: Giggling No they are just... |
| [24:03.287] | Q: Well, you' ve been inside the castle ??? the decorations... PAUL: No , I mean.... |
| [24:06.189] | JOHN: " That is a very strange life, isn' t it. |
| [24:08.162] | I mean, that' s another manifestation of craziness." |
| [24:11.415] | PAUL: " You don' t really TALK to her ' cuz she' s the Queen. |
| [24:13.763] | It' s like you don' t really TALK to President Johnson ever. |
| [24:16.112] | You just sort of shake hands and APPEAR to talk to him." |
| [24:19.149] | JOHN: " And if they BELIEVE that they' re royal, that' s the joke. |
| [24:21.812] | You know, if they believe it..." |
| [24:23.899] | PAUL: " It' s crazy." |
| [24:25.613] | JOHN: "... well they can carry on, you know. |
| [24:26.912] | Because it' s just very strange to think that you are royal." |
| [24:30.199] | PAUL: " They' re probably just great and human and have just got their own scene going, you know." |
| [24:36.326] | JOHN: " One or two of them, maybe... giggles over fivemillion." |
| [24:38.913] | PAUL: " And it' s just a very difficult job." |
| [24:40.111] | Q: " Do you think it all should end?" |
| [24:41.661] | JOHN: " Well, I dont know about that. But it' s very costly." PAUL: laughs |
| [24:46.398] | JOHN: " It' s priorities really, isn' t it." |
| [24:48.940] | Q: " It' s been said that you have such a tremendous amount of influence. |
| [24:54.270] | You said yourself in that very controversial remark one time that you were more popular than Jesus, |
| [24:58.745] | and you had to correct the interpretation of that." JOHN: " Yeah." |
| [25:01.284] | PAUL: "' The Queen is freaky' isn' t a bad one." |
| [25:03.032] | Q: " Yeah, that' s not too bad, either. ??? never had bigger crowds? as you did |
| [25:04.631] | PAUL: jokingly " Another headline taken out of context yet again!" |
| [25:10.060] | Q: " The United States has been plagued by the war in Vietnam, |
| [25:13.603] | and the world has been concerned about it. |
| [25:16.678] | What are your views about the war?" |
| [25:17.928] | JOHN: " It' s another piece of insanity. |
| [25:20.327] | It' s all part of the same insane scene that' s going on. |
| [25:25.363] | It' s just insane. It shouldn' t be going on. There' s nothing else for it... no reason, just insanity." |
| [25:32.873] | PAUL: " You know, whoever' s right and whoever' s wrong, |
| [25:37.252] | it' s still... the thing that' s going on there isn' t a good thing. It' s only that much willed?. |
| [25:44.637] | A few bits of it does rough things going on. |
| [25:48.824] | A few bits does worse things and a few bits is just insane. And that' s one of those bits. |
| [25:55.625] | Q: " Since you' re not diplomats, let me ask you to meddle in American politics as our concluding question. |
| [26:01.476] | We have a lot of candidates..." PAUL JOHN: " We don' t know much about it." |
| [26:03.917] | Q: " You know the names..." JOHN: " No." |
| [26:05.434] | Q: " You' ve heard the names..." |
| [26:06.581] | JOHN: " Not really." PAUL: jokingly Eisenhower?" Q: laughs JOHN: " We hear the sort of Kennedy, |
| [26:09.472] | and we met a man called Green who sells plastic flowers to try and get people to vote for him, |
| [26:16.285] | which is a good sign of what he is, anyway. |
| [26:18.683] | But we don' t know much others." |
| [26:20.283] | PAUL: peace symbols " Doves." JOHN: " Doves and olives." laughter |
| [26:21.783] | JOHN: " Anything about that, my choice would be a dove. |
| [26:25.773] | But I mean, it might be an insane dove. |
| [26:27.370] | That' s the risk you gotta take." |
| [26:29.808] | Q: " You' re not ready to make a commitment?" |
| [26:35.447] | PAUL: " Yeah sure. Go on, ask some." |
| [26:36.796] | Q: " Would you pick a McCarthy, or a Kennedy?" JOHN: " A dove." |
| [26:39.458] | Q: " Humphrey, Nixon or Rockefeller?" JOHN: " A dove." |
| [26:43.809] | PAUL: " Yeah. You know, it' s just too hard ' cuz we don' t know what they are, those people. |
| [26:50.260] | We see all their pictures in the paper, |
| [26:52.546] | but we don' t know really what they' re doing. Do you?" |
| [26:55.547] | Q: " What about Harold Wilson?" Merseyside member of Parliament and thencurrent Prime Minister |
| [26:58.897] | JOHN: " Yes! What' s HE doing?!" laughter |
| [27:00.771] | JOHN: " I mean, what are they all doing? That' s the point." |
| [27:03.423] | Q: " Let me just ask this one final question. |
| [27:06.935] | What do you do when you talk about the establishment, |
| [27:09.922] | and you try to put something in it' s place... when you' re not satisfied with..." |
| [27:13.848] | JOHN: " We' re all part of it as well. |
| [27:15.146] | I mean, the establishment is abstract and all that bit. |
| [27:18.649] | We' re all part of it. |
| [27:20.659] | So it' s just to change it anyway you can, if you think you can. |
| [27:26.998] | That' s all you can do." |
| [27:28.197] | Q: " Gentlemen, Thank you very much." |
| [27:30.421] | JOHN: " Pleasure." PAUL: " Thank you." |
| [27:31.844] | Q: John Lennon and Paul McCartney. |
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